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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by oldmanthrowit »

overkalix wrote: post #67
oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

Catalan here (and not exactly rich). I think OP's comment was completely out of place, but trying to disregard the independence movement as rich guys entitlement is a an extremely distorted representation of the political reality of Catalonia.

I live in Türkiye. You're just entitled westerners with 2 steaks complaining you don't have a potatoe.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _xnmw »

jaynetics wrote: post #64
_xnmw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

> Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. Are you aware that this is wholly down to a deal between the EU and Turkey which includes, amongst others, payments of about 6bn EUR to Turkey?

I was aware. But the costs of accommodating refugees are more than just financial. The social cost is much bigger. I think it's fair that Turkey is looking for a longer-term solution for asylum seekers, not simply taking money and feeding them.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by primroot »

_xnmw wrote: post #55
primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

1. Criticism is not blocking.

2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics.

3. Do you have any source indicating that Kurdish control is contributing to the displacement of people?

4. More about "efforts to stabilize": "Criticism of Turkish alleged support for Jihadists, including ISIL, and of targeting Kurds" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syr...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by oldmanthrowit »

notebookstack wrote: post #52
oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

I think the comparison in situation/contrast in international attention being made is more between Catalonia and Hong Kong. There's certainly a ton of other important issues causing the unrest, but there is a certain element of xenophobia/ superiority complex in play in Hong Kong as well, that has been simmering for many years. https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-ko... ?

It's really apples and hamburgers. Hong Kong is being controlled by a brutal dictatorship which killed 30 million of it's own people over the past century.

Catalonia is the rich part of Spain not liking the poorer part of spain. That's it. Catalonians are the embodiment of the western view of the French. The French, it turns out, are mostly not elitist jerks.

Catalonians, no matter what you ask them about Spain, instantly respond with "Oh that's spanish, not Catalan, I don't know anything about that". It's absurd posturing, and nothing more. Just like BRexiters, Catalonians have the erroneous notion that their wealth comes to them without any influence by the rest of their society, it's essentially cultural objectivism.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by toast0 »

coldcode wrote: post #56
grenoire wrote: post #45

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Turkey used to implement DNS blocks but these days (because people learned to quickly circumvent DNS blocks by Google or OpenDNS) they straight up don't route the IPs.

I wonder with IPV6 could you not come up with a IP hopping protocol so that you can't actually block specific hosts without way too much effort? Maybe it would not work for the general internet, but maybe for some alternative just for this kind of situation?

With this sort of thing, you tend to block networks, not individual IPs. Regardless of how many IPv6 addresses you can use, they're going to be groupable, most likely.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by zmix »

mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

> I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime

They are an authoritarian regime. Turkey is similar to Hungary in so far, that there is a cosmopolitan capital and the rest is rural. While the cosmopolits want a liberal democracy, the rural people usually don't want it. So, whatever democracy there is, the majority will vote non-democratic regimes.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _ink_ »

m00dy wrote: post #65
mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

Turkey is stealing a 30km wide coridor from a different country. If they want a safe zone, they could implement it on their side of the border.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by luxuryballs »

_xnmw wrote: post #70
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> There's an official denial of a "green light" Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation. America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely…

I think the idea that US tax payers funding a military effort that isn’t involved in actually protecting the US should be considered here too, especially since we’ve probably endured more actual American deaths because of such activity.

Spending money not protecting the people who are funding it is bad enough but putting the people funding it in more danger than they were before is really bad, that’s the opposite of what the military is for.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _xnmw »

primroot wrote: post #73
_xnmw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

1. Criticism is not blocking. 2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics. 3. Do you have any source indicating that Kurdish control is contributing to the displacement of people? 4. More about "efforts to stabilize": "Criticism of Turkish alleged support for Jihadists, including ISIL, and of targeting Kurds" https:…

> 2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics.

Then what was America doing there?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by johnchristopher »

m00dy wrote: post #65
mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

Regardless of wether you are wrong or right I believe you shouldn't be downvoted since your comment serves as a different point of view.
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