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Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up

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Post by mey »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #175
losteric wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS is working on it too. Internally, the region is very much treated as untrustworthy.

Very interesting. Any additional info? Info that is maybe not public?

AWS is very upfront about AWS China. See https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio... and click AWS China Regions on the left side.

I would be asking AWS about the future of AWS Hong Kong which has historically has had special freedoms from China. See current events for more on that.

Typical issue is the ICP License ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license ), which is why Western companies set up shop in Hong Kong.

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Post by mey »

neurostimulant wrote: post #172
nickfromseattle wrote: post #101

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Microsoft has the same setup for Azure. >Get a physically isolated instance of Azure for your cloud computing services—operated by 21Vianet, a company based in China. Besides censorship and spying on users, China probably doesn't want it's company's data hosted in a place the US's 3 letter agencies can access it via an NSL. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/global-infrastructure/chin...

Aren't foreign companies not allowed to operate in China without partnering with local companies? I think most (if not all) companies that sell services and digital products (online games, etc) operate this way.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license for more info on that issue.

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Post by freeopinion »

freeopinion wrote: post #203
Aloha wrote: post #46

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The US isn't a closed market and can't effectively eject Apple from the market. While I disagree with the choice Apple made, it's a very rational one. Permanent removal from China would probably be worse for freedom in China over 20 years, and massively worse for Apple in the short term. No company should be expected to back or foment a revolution somewhere, from my perspective they're looking out for their own beet…

> they're looking out for their own beet [sic] interest and the best interest of their customers I'm sure you think you just explained this, but it completely escaped me. How is yanking this app in the best interest of their customers? Let's break "their customers" into 3 groups: 1. Protestors in HK. It clearly isn't in their best interest . So not those customers, right? 2. Non-protestors in China (including HK). Yo…

Perhaps it could be argued that Apple is completely dependent on manufacturing facilities within China and losing that access would indeed be lethal. Some of Apple's biggest competitors outside China recognized that risk a long time ago and moved to minimize it. Why has Apple left themselves so vulnerable? Is it the only way they could produce inexpensively enough to stay competitive? Or is it, again, pure naked greed?

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Post by colejohnson66 »

germainelol wrote: post #164
colejohnson66 wrote: post #137

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It’s a crime if it’s being used to physically attack the cop.

The police are phsyically attacking the people, it's quite different. Yes, this app helps protestors, but it also helps the public avoid being treated extremely violently by the police.

I never said what the people were doing was wrong. All I said was that it would be illegal in some places if it’s being used for that.

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Post by alexbecker »

freeopinion wrote: post #203
Aloha wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US isn't a closed market and can't effectively eject Apple from the market. While I disagree with the choice Apple made, it's a very rational one. Permanent removal from China would probably be worse for freedom in China over 20 years, and massively worse for Apple in the short term. No company should be expected to back or foment a revolution somewhere, from my perspective they're looking out for their own beet…

> they're looking out for their own beet [sic] interest and the best interest of their customers I'm sure you think you just explained this, but it completely escaped me. How is yanking this app in the best interest of their customers? Let's break "their customers" into 3 groups: 1. Protestors in HK. It clearly isn't in their best interest . So not those customers, right? 2. Non-protestors in China (including HK). Yo…

The argument as I understand it is that group 2 mostly does not care about being protected from their government or even agrees with the government's actions, and they get to benefit from continued access to Apple's superior products. I'm not endorsing this argument, but it's not prima facie crazy.

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Post by anonimouse1234a »

Throwaway account for obvious reasons, but this email I did not receive this email and I am an Apple employee in Cupertino.

Some of the language used doesn’t sound correct, it sounds very specific mentioning reports - normally these emails are general.

Again I never received this email, so if it was sent it was not company wide

Re: Tim Cook’s Company-Wide Email on Hkmap.live Doesn’t Add Up

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Post by anonimouse1234a »

Thor’s way account for obvious reasons.

I am an Apple employee (Cupertino) and I did not receive this email.

It also reads different than other Tim emails, which never mention specific things such as credible reports and the language seems off.

I also did not here any colleagues mention such an email, and usually it pops up for everyone at the same time and it becomes a topic.

This email pastebin is a fake

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Post by chvid »

dirtyid wrote: post #134
acid__ wrote: post #129

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Hey mate, meta comment, sorry to not be responding directly to the content of your comment. I noticed that your post history is almost entirely pro-China posts on the more political submissions here. It could be seen like you’re participating on HN for a political or ideological reason, which really isn’t what this site is about. I’m not trying to call you a shill or anything, just wanted to point out that there migh…

I've gotten meta-shill accusations before. My answer as before, my interest in Chinese geopolitics, architecture, lifting and podcasts. I comment on those things when they (rarely) come up and have something novel to add. Sino-US topics are just all the rage recently and I think I have useful takes on the topic compared to the default tier of "I read Bloomberg and watch Serpentza".

Hello dirtyid.

A meta-comment from me. I enjoy reading what you are writing.

And it is a sad tale that one have to scroll down in the bottom of hn to see it as your comments are obviously more informed (ignoring the politics) than most other here. It just goes to show than hn is not really designed to discuss things which are very divisive.

And that is too bad. Because the rise of China and the comparable decline of the US is the single biggest change of our time. And it has big implictions for all things including technology.

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Post by messick »

anonimouse1234a wrote: post #227

Thor’s way account for obvious reasons. I am an Apple employee (Cupertino) and I did not receive this email. It also reads different than other Tim emails, which never mention specific things such as credible reports and the language seems off. I also did not here any colleagues mention such an email, and usually it pops up for everyone at the same time and it becomes a topic. This email pastebin is a fake

I too was thrown off by all the “company-wide email reporting”. Check AppleWeb.

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Post by troysand »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #4

This is a huge stain on the company, the brand, and Cook’s leadership. It’s not just censorship—it’s active cooperation with an authoritarian power under the fig leaf of TOS violations. Truly astonishing.

No disrespect to Steve Jobs but my guess is that he would do the same thing.
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