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Post by Aperocky »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #334
s_dev wrote: post #324

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>And in one fell swoop, Apple has made it effectively impossible to install this app on your phone. There's no realistic workaround. Make the app a Web App and visit it in Safari. Apple has banned it being notarized and distributed from their App Store but iPhones still have access to the conventional web which Apple has no control over.

Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support. There list of limitations is long, but most critically for this app (I would imagine), they can't send notifications and they can't work offline.

It's pitiful there hasn't been a widely adopted open source notification framework like linux is to OS. Apple and Google both implement their own and it gave them overwhelming power over the app developers. Ironically, this framework may start in China as while majority of the people use Android they have no access to G-suite, apps develop their own notifications and eats up tonnes of RAM, this will neatly solve that problem.

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Post by sho »

glitchc wrote: post #452
whatshisface wrote: post #379

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From Wikipedia, > Manifest destiny was a widely held belief in the 19th century United States that its settlers were destined to expand across North America. The average American does not think that America should expand any further throughout the world, nor do they think that America has an irresistible duty to remake the world in its image. The theme of "the special virtues of the American people and their institut…

A thread on HN is a far cry from what a typical American thinks. America doesn’t need to take over other nations in the parochial sense. Rather the number of bases the US has established throughout the world accomplish manifest destiny in a modern fashion. No other country has or has ever had this level or scale of military deployment.

I didn't really want to bash on the US too hard but yeah. America has over five hundred overseas military bases. To say no other country even comes close is an understatement.

I'm not even saying the US overseas forces are bad. They've been misused, yes, but I don't want to argue about that - it's complicated. To disclaim America's outsize global ambitions, however - for whatever purpose - is just laughable.

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Post by qzx_pierri »

scarface74 wrote: post #426
bmarquez wrote: post #389

Apple's walled garden is a double-edged sword. If Apple would allow users to easily* sideload applications like Android, protesters can easily bypass these types of bans. *telling someone to install Xcode or Cydia Impactor and resigning a certificate every 7 days is too much for the average user

Or if all the app does is report police presence using your location, they could create a website and not need an app at all....

It’s not that easy to create a website in China. You need an ICP license to run a website over there.

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Post by metalchianti »

sho wrote: post #401
matwood wrote: post #352

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> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

Yes, a psychoactive drug with a longstanding and controversial social history having substantial legal differences state-to-state is VERY significant and representative of what statehood represents in the US. Are you from the US? Based on your OP I'm not sure how much you understand mechanics of the federation. And TBH I'm not sure how much you understand China--personally I think 1930s era fascism is a better analogy.

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Post by reroute1 »

sho wrote: post #401
matwood wrote: post #352

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> wants all these rights others don't have This is exactly how the United States is setup. Notice how pot is legal in some states and not others? I don't see the National Guard marching on Colorado.

Pot? That's your argument? Show me the state where you can show full penetrative sex on public TV at 9pm, like you can in europe, and I'll agree they're independent. EDIT: OK, that was a dumb example. Substitute banning guns, or lowering the drinking age, or lowering income tax. Country-level things.

How is sex on public tv a better indicator?

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Post by frenchyatwork »

mehhh wrote: post #458
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #334

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Apple has been (I suspect purposefully!) dragging their feet on progressive web app support. There list of limitations is long, but most critically for this app (I would imagine), they can't send notifications and they can't work offline.

There are a number of interesting use cases for PWAs, but part of Apple's fear is (potentially) many of their clients will migrate to PWA only, reducing App Store revenue severely. Apple also loses all code auditing and screening, meaning they can't ban GPL licensed PWAs like they ban alternative Linphone builds (as they are GPLv2), Signal Private Messenger builds (GPLv3) and only the official developer can build and…

> many of their clients will migrate to PWA only, reducing App Store revenue severely

This was also the music industy's fear of digital data about 20-30 years ago.

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Post by wbl »

wvenable wrote: post #467
api wrote: post #444

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Personally I think the real problem is that the OS is fundamentally broken. All current OSes are fundamentally broken from a security point of view because they all pre-date the era when security was such a concern and are designed to run only de-facto trusted code. All the security we have including all iOS's security is a bolt-on afterthought. A modern security and privacy conscious OS would be "principle of least…

Modern OSes are designed to prevent users from attacking other users (or the system) with malicious code. They are not designed to protect the user from malicious code they themselves install. > We do have something like that. It's called a web browser. A browser is a small VM that runs utterly untrusted code relatively safely. In many cases it's code from the sketchiest ad networks and other hellholes imaginable. Gi…

This is what Android attempts to provide and it is hard.

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Post by vxNsr »

idlewords wrote: post #330
sho wrote: post #315

Here we go again... Let me explain how Chinese people think about HK, since none of them ever seem to explain it on a site like this. Imagine you are a middle class American. Maybe you are but if not, just imagine, tech city on the east or west coast. You're pretty invested in being an American, skin in the game, manifest destiny etc. Very good. They call this tianxia by the way, basically Chinese manifest destiny. L…

You're ascribing motives to the Hong Kong protesters that they don't have. This is not a separatist movement, even though the Chinese government insists on characterizing it as such. Public opinion surveys in Hong Kong show the overwhelming majority of respondents aren't asking for independence. The five demands that are the crux of the current protests don't involve independence. They center on China holding up its…

You ignored the very reason for OP's comment: its the perspective of chinese citizens outside of hong kong Who's only knowledge of the situation comes from state media and what those who really care can glean from censored social media.

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Post by leppr »

gear54rus wrote: post #450

It would be good to remember this moment next time some of their marketing bullshit about privacy will surface again. Their word extends no further than the next paycheck. And people still fall for it.

Privacy and freedom don't necessarily intersect. You could have a lot of privacy but no freedom in a windowless prison cell, or a lot of freedom but no privacy being homeless in the street.

(not that Apple's privacy spiel ever really meant anything as a company selling internet-connected black boxes)

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Post by arcticfox »

jsjolen wrote: post #263
greatjack613 wrote: post #246

Honestly, I think we as in the United States have to think harder whether it is worth sacrificing our beliefs in freedom to gain a few $$$ (edit: A lot of $$$$$) from countries that don't provide their citizens with basic rights.

I disagree, I don't think we will ever do the right thing if the reward is big enough. I think the right way to go is to dismantle these unnecessary power structures that allow us to do the wrong choice and replace them with better ones. For example, Apple can only do this because they have the power to remove apps from their store (fine) and because we do not have the power to install apps which aren't from their st…

This really doesn't solve the end-game though. China will just say phones need the ability to pull apps, problem solved for them. (They already do this in every sense imaginable: you need to transfer tech to China, you need to censor news stories, you need to show your face to facial recognition cameras, etc.).
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