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Why is this story already off the front page? Currently 117 points in 1 hour, yet somehow behind “The Origin of the Foot Rail” with 39 points in 7 hours.

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys intellectual curiosity, the value of the site.

HN is pretty much a mono-ideological site, from what I've witnessed. Any topic which triggers ideological discussion could be good for HN in my opinion.

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Does this app signal where there's police activity? Yes Could it be used with intent to avoid police? Yes Does it mean that it's only used with criminal intent? I don't believe so. I personally use it to avoid protests and go through my daily life. Should you now remove Safari because it allows you to access data that would potentially help with criminal intent? What about the twitter app, lot's of messages related t…

Waze signals where there is police activity.

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What's the point when the world is legislating our privacy away? It's a pointless self-defeating marketing ploy then and nothing more.

Do you think it is ethical for a company to require it's employees to break the law?

Yes. Ethics is quite explicitly orthogonal to the law.

E.g. It was ethical but illegal for some to refuse participation in the holocaust.

Law encodes what those in power want you to do. Ethics encodes what society wants you to do. The two are rarely entirely aligned.

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Wtf Apple

This is a company that restricts what you can and can't install on your own device and you're surprised they're okay with authoritarianism?

They restrict what you can install for example to protect users from ransomware and surveillance capitalists and the like.

They are also always championing freedom and expression and the like. But they must appease China to keep that market open to phone sales sadly.

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point when the world is legislating our privacy away? It's a pointless self-defeating marketing ploy then and nothing more.

Do you think it is ethical for a company to require it's employees to break the law?

If the law is unethical yes.

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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Exactly, by that account, they should remove encryption on iMessage so that police can access it.

I'm actually quite surprised that iMessage has seemingly flown under the radar in authoritarian countries for this long…maybe nobody uses it there?

People only use it because it's enabled by default and takes over from SMS with minimal intervention. There's no point using it when there's also WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal/etc. The competition are largely cross-platform. I'm surprised Apple even bothered to make it in the first place. They could have saved themselves the effort and not got into that market, rather than making an app that makes them look bad.

Re: Apple Removes HKmap.live from the App Store

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post #53

I think Apple's action here provides a good case for breaking up platforms. If the App Store were decoupled from the main hardware-making and hardware-selling part of Apple, then there wouldn't be a conflict of interest between providing a neutral app-selling platform and retaining access to foreign markets.

What platform is big enough to break up the big platforms?
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