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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by tptacek »

Knove wrote: post #213
pvg wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things like that happened, we don't have to imagine it. Also 9/11 - a terrorist attack - is not analogous to a mass protest movement. Mass protests have taken place in the US, including violent ones and prominent contemporary voices have been both openly supportive and critical of them.

prominent contemporary voices have been both openly supportive and critical of them I mean, what if these prominent contemporary voices support 911?

Multiple prominent evangelical leaders have repeatedly claimed that 9/11 was God's judgement for social liberalism, and none of them lost any stature. One of them, Robert Jeffress, is currently a prominent figure in the Trumpist movement.

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Post by bena »

meowface wrote: post #95

I wonder if this will affect the Starcraft 2 Nation Wars tournament that's currently ongoing. China, Hong Kong, and "Chinese Taipei" (as Blizzard insists the team be called in the tournament) are all participants in the tournament, though the Chinese team just happened to recently eliminate the Hong Kong team, so it would have to be another country's team to pull an "I am Spartacus" in support of the banned player an…

You do know why "Chinese Taipei" is contentious right? The island of Taiwan houses an entity that considers itself the rightful government of China in exile, the Republic of China (ROC).

Mainland China is currently governed by the People's Republic of China (PRC).

Both governments consider themselves "China". They consider the other government as an illegitimate entity occupying territory illegally.

The PRC refuses to deal with any nation that treats the ROC as a nation. That means it is not recognized by the UN, the Olympic committee, etc. If you make any sort of inference that the island of Taiwan is not the territory of and under the control of the PRC, they will flat out drop your ass.

The compromise is "Chinese Taipei". Because "Taiwan" sounds too much like its own nation to the PRC and "Taiwan, China" sounds too much like a subordinate of the PRC to the ROC.

So it's not Blizzard that's insisting the team be called Chinese Taipei, it's the PRC and ROC. Although, they'd much rather the other government not exist.

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Post by celticmusic »

kaybe wrote: post #294
celticmusic wrote: post #63

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There was recently a brouhaha over a cosplayer being accused of blackface for cosplaying a league of legends character named Pyke. This cosplayer was a finalist and the competition in question removed her over it. When I first encountered it this morning my thought was that she ultimately wins because she's getting exposure that she never would have gotten before, and most people aren't ridiculous.

So what would be the PC way to cosplay a specific dark-skinned character when you are really light-skinned?

There is no PC way, that's the problem. People just need to get over themselves.

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Post by jrockway »

dvt wrote: post #233
gdy wrote: post #184

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Can you prove that you knew it beforehand?

The NBA literally just went through this 3 days prior. South Park literally released an episode satirizing this exact scenario 2 days prior. It's definitely prior knowledge. They either didn't care or are grossly incompetent.

What I think is interesting is that none of this happened during US business hours. Someone in their China office or whatever made the decision, and when everyone in LA woke up, they found a shitstorm.

The trouble that Blizzard has is walking back this decision could put their employees in China in danger.

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Post by apacheCamel »

kaybe wrote: post #294
celticmusic wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was recently a brouhaha over a cosplayer being accused of blackface for cosplaying a league of legends character named Pyke. This cosplayer was a finalist and the competition in question removed her over it. When I first encountered it this morning my thought was that she ultimately wins because she's getting exposure that she never would have gotten before, and most people aren't ridiculous.

So what would be the PC way to cosplay a specific dark-skinned character when you are really light-skinned?

Be a light-skinned Pyke. The costume IMO is the most important part. If you have the look, you don't need to put on black-face to have a killer cosplay.

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Post by jessaustin »

falcolas wrote: post #139
jknoepfler wrote: post #102

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This is laughably false. The press in the United States is and remains free to publish (virtually) whatever it wants about federal, state, and local government. We're free even to suggest that the electoral college is a terrible way to implement democratic election of representatives, to suggest that the current voting system undermines the legitimacy of the government, to propose and debate alternatives in the open…

So, I don't think it's as big a leap as it may seem. Bear with me a moment: Modern communication between individuals relies on the internet. Even the government has acknowledged this, insisting that all of their services are available online. All spaces for communication on the internet (including elements as low as DNS and hosting) rely on private companies. Private companies can and do take censorious actions based…

The "private property" argument was always a bit iffy outside urban areas with ample centrally-located parkland or large public buildings with plenty of sidewalk space. Anywhere else, if you're protesting, you're protesting on somebody's property. Sure you can stand and march in the street, but there are issues with that too.

Ideally 1A protections would be seen as something of a bare minimum, rather than the highest level of protection people could ever dream of enjoying.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

notyourday wrote: post #132
radicsge wrote: post #77

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Those people who can circumvent the GFoC, already knows that their leader is pulling down the whole country.

> Those people who can circumvent the GFoC, already knows that their leader is pulling down the whole country. CCP is what is industrializing the country. There's not a single person in the West who is not a recent immigrant that lived in a pre-industrial society. In this case Chinese population supports CCP because between supporting some rich special people in HK protesting something and not going back to working t…

I'm not surprised to hear that the Chinese population supports Beijing's opposition to "rich special people" trying to drag China down. It's easy to get people to take your side of made up stories.

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Post by fpgaminer »

dvt wrote: post #283
tremblane wrote: post #277

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a) woosh b) It wouldn't be unreasonable to think somebody might mention another MMO developer. thatsthejoke.jpg

Side note: what's going on HN lately with all this pun/troll/meme nonsense? Please leave that stuff on reddit.

Counter-point: I haven't seen any uptick in such comments. (Also note that meta comments comparing HN to Reddit generally garner downvotes, for good reason, as they too don't contribute meaningfully to discussion)

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Post by 556343throwaway »

netsharc wrote: post #26

Great Streisand moves by China though, previously gamers or basketball fans might not really care about what's happening in Hong Kong/China in general, but within 2 days they (China) have raised awareness of what a shitty overlord they are.

China doesn’t really care what non Chinese citizens think. The government is more afraid of its own citizens starting an uprising.

The riots in Hong Kong saved the CPC. The people in Mainland China were already starting to get upset at the government because of how the trade war was affecting the economy. The implicit contract being the people won’t rebel if the economy is good.

Luckily for the CPC, the Hong Kong riots came along and now the government is able to use that as an excuse to bolster patriotism.

So naturally they need to be “tough” on the NBA, Blizzard and any other company so as to not lose the people’s support.

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Post by rapsey »

jrockway wrote: post #320
rapsey wrote: post #260

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> How they've (mis)handled this will be studied by business and PR students for years to come. I doubt it. The internet has a very short attention span and online activism is pretty much useless.

That was my thought yesterday when I saw one post on Reddit. But I think things are different this time. Every post to every Blizzard-related subreddit is related to this event. One of the top posts on /r/all is about using an Overwatch character to represent the Hong Kong protests, and it's gaining traction. The NYT and WSJ have articles about the situation. Congresspeople are making statements about it. Streamers t…

All of this is still just an online echo chamber doing its thing.
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