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Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #201

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I wasn't aware that people in the US don't want to talk about 9/11. There have been multiple books and movies about the failure to prevent the terrorist attack, the attack itself, and years of aftermath. Public discourse about the event isn't suppressed, and even George W Bush has commented about the event while he was president and after he left office. Though I've seen it referenced multiple times, I don't see the…

Maybe what I mean is not clear enough. I imagine that a star, just a few days after 9/11, openly declared that 9/11 was a great recovery movement.

You're being downvoted (and rightfully, I believe), but you do sound genuine (so far at least), so let me speak a little bit more and hope your mind might change even just a little bit.

First, as pvg said, a massive protest is not analogous to 9/11.

But, let's put even that aside for a moment, and pretend that they are analogous. The more proper analogy is this: Pretend that after 9/11, a Malaysian singer working for a Chinese recording company made the comment you suggested, and Americans got upset with it, put pressure on the Chinese company that the star belonged to (because the Chinese company was going to lose support and profits from American audience), and the Chinese company fired the Malaysian star.

You're ok with this? You think the Chinese company bending over backwards to please the American people to keep their revenue stream, is entirely fine? Considering the Malaysian star's political opinion is even aligned with your own country's?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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>> Morally, though >The only ones that hold these sorts of views are the ones with nothing interesting to say. I'm confused by your response; what is it you are trying to say? They were making a legal description of why the 1st amendment doesn't prevent a private entity from censoring; not a moral one. From a legal perspective, they are right. The constitution prevents the government (and only the government) from re…

The biggest clue that you're involved in a strawman is your quoting a part of the other poster that I didn't quote and applying it to my response.

Fine, I'll be more specific about my problem with your statement:

To me, it sounded like you were judging the previous poster as if he was making a moral defense of Blizzard/EAs actions.

While skipping the section of his email where he alluded to their actions being immoral -- thus doing the same thing to them that you are claiming I did to you.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #271

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CCP == Chinese Communist Party in this context.

a) woosh b) It wouldn't be unreasonable to think somebody might mention another MMO developer. thatsthejoke.jpg

Side note: what's going on HN lately with all this pun/troll/meme nonsense? Please leave that stuff on reddit.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #250
post #242

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Please don't turn this political discussion into a political discussion. Edit: Please remember that only negative comments regarding President Trump are allowed in this political discussion about free speech.

Many topics discussed on HN inevitably have some political overlap. That doesn't make it ok to post flamebait, cheap one-liners, and so on. This standard is well established here, and if you read the HN guidelines you'll find much there that expresses it. For example: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " In other words, when the topic becomes political, tha…

Satire is sometimes the most effective means of pointing out an unfair bias (See: South Park). It seems clear to me that bringing to light a clear political bias is not only applicable to the topic but offering a thought provoking viewpoint on how free speech is not only being threatened by an external entity (China in this case), but domestically by our peers.

The question asked was about US leadership doing something about this problem. The comment was immediately discounted using dismissive language (by you) implying that there is no evidence, while providing none yourself.

Now you've chosen to tie it off with a condescending link to rules you've chosen to selectively enforce under the guise of being "constructive".

The current president has been doing things to resist the power the CCP has over our economy: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-us-chi...

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Damore was not quieted though. He was punished, but not quieted, as a matter of fact the controversy surrounding his termination bolstered his audience even further, and from the get go, he was never restricted on what he could or could not say by anyone.

And blizzard/China didn't "quiet" either, they just "punished". Because apparently it's not quieting if you've punished someone for saying something. and now let me go grab my eyeballs off the floor because they just rolled out of my head.

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

I guess we're talking past each other, but 9/11 is a singularly bad example. It was an attack, on the US soil, by a foreign force. It was the one thing that made Americans united against "the enemy", whether real or perceived, and of course it was co-opted by American politicians to fuel nationalism.

If some foreign terrorist blows up a building in Beijing, do you think China would want other nations to stop talking about it?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #235

It's interesting to see that no where in this thread or in the Vice article posted by OP, is Robert Kotick's name mentioned. It's not until Kotick, Morhaime (Blizzard co-founder) and Allen Brack (President) start feeling the heat will they reverse course.

Morhaime stepped down as CEO last year, and his advisory role with the company ended back in April.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #33

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Right now the leadership in China is terrified! They've been able to get away with a lot, basically using their economic power to get other countries to look the other way with regards to their behavior (suppressing their people, stealing IP, bullying smaller nations). but the moment they got called on it and people started moving their operations to other countries (previously considered "impossible"), they saw the…

Their economy is also massively indebted, they got hooked on debt to a degree many here would consider reckless. They've wasted a tremendous amount of money on useless construction, which may be one downfall of a planned economy.

I was intrigued by your comment, so I went looking around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_...

It looks like their debt is only 15% of their GDP? I've heard the China Debt thing before and I don't understand it. Could you explain what you mean?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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I wonder if this will affect the Starcraft 2 Nation Wars tournament that's currently ongoing. China, Hong Kong, and "Chinese Taipei" (as Blizzard insists the team be called in the tournament) are all participants in the tournament, though the Chinese team just happened to recently eliminate the Hong Kong team, so it would have to be another country's team to pull an "I am Spartacus" in support of the banned player an…

Maybe the Taiwan team can throw the match by rushing worker units at the Chinese team's tank units

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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post #200

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If anything their perspective seems to be that their "true fans" are mainly Chinese and are playing cheap knock of mobile games.

That does seem to be the case. The "big" announcement at last year's Blizzcon was a Chinese free to play mobile game with a Diablo skin.

Lack of big news doesn't mean anything. We know they had teams working on Diablo 4, Overwatch 2, and the next World of Warcraft expansion. But Blizzard has historically preferred to have extended internal development periods and not announce anything until they're close to release.

Heck, Titan was under development for years before getting cancelled without any sort of big announcement.

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