Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident • Hacker News Board

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

pvg wrote: post #195

Knove wrote: post #177

First, I introduce myself. I am a Chinese, an ordinary citizen. I want to express my view rationally: the so-called repression of speech, freedom of speech, that also scores what freedom of speech, Hong Kong incident involves national dignity, just as the United States don't want 911 to be supported by some people (example: Imagine a well-known person, just days after 911, publicly declaring that 911 was a Great Nati…

just as the United States does not want to be talked about 911 I'm not sure what you mean by this. In the United States there is a completely unregulated cottage industry disseminating all sorts of misinformation and conspiracy theories about 9/11. There are people who make a living doing this.

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by jschwartzi » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

Knove wrote: post #213

pvg wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things like that happened, we don't have to imagine it. Also 9/11 - a terrorist attack - is not analogous to a mass protest movement. Mass protests have taken place in the US, including violent ones and prominent contemporary voices have been both openly supportive and critical of them.

prominent contemporary voices have been both openly supportive and critical of them I mean, what if these prominent contemporary voices support 911?

They don't. Name one who does.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by dvt » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

gdy wrote: post #184

celticmusic wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

some things are knowable beforehand.

Can you prove that you knew it beforehand?

The NBA literally just went through this 3 days prior. South Park literally released an episode satirizing this exact scenario 2 days prior.

It's definitely prior knowledge. They either didn't care or are grossly incompetent.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by ericmcer » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

Only time will tell? Blizzard has not been a hip indie game studio for many years now, and people have incredibly short memories. Will you still be talking about this 3 months from now? Their chinese investors, partners, etc. may have a much longer memory than a bunch of Americans getting outraged at the latest injustice to be outraged about.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by aagha » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

It's interesting to see that no where in this thread or in the Vice article posted by OP, is Robert Kotick's name mentioned.

It's not until Kotick, Morhaime (Blizzard co-founder) and Allen Brack (President) start feeling the heat will they reverse course.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by zanny » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

greggman2 wrote: post #78

I'm mixed on this. I'm 100% for Chung “Blitzchung” Ng Wai to express his support for Hong Kong. I'm not so sure it's okay for him to do it on Blizzard's show/event. 27 years ago Sinead O'Connor ripped up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live when it was broadcast live. She's was arguably right to critize the Pope but was she right to do it from Saturday Night Live's Live broadcast? IIRC because of that inciden…

> I'm not so sure it's okay

I'm not sure its okay for China to be maiming and killing protestors while trying to subjugate a city under tyranny,

The reality is that there are not okay things out there, and people often feel helpless against them, and will do things others will feel is not okay to try to get their message across when they feel the okay way isn't working.

And as a global people we should support those that feel, out of desperation, they need to destroy their careers or risk their own safety to try to help others. Its the inverse side of the coin school shooters and terrorism occur on - both are driven to extreme action, but one is sacrificing oneself to try to help others while the other seeks only to destroy for selfish egotism. Both are indicative of systemic issues that need addressed.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by puranjay » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

Dumblydorr wrote: post #83

heyyyouu wrote: post #35

What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly horrible a job Blizzard did in anticipating and preparing this very obvious possibility, and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this.This so obviously was likely to happen that it easily could have been anticipated and planned for to be dealt with in a much, much more professional way, and yet clearly they didn't, and it's beyond inexc…

Blizzard has been on a downward spiral for years. They still have awesome teams releasing and maintaining awesome games, (thank you for custom colors in SC Remastered!), but by and large their direction has been towards EA and away from their true fans.

I can't understand why anyone even expects better PR management from Blizzard after that "you all have mobile phones, right?" fiasco

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by NeedMoreTea » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

jknoepfler wrote: post #203

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> suggesting that Western Capitalism is corrupt, Marx was the one true prophet ... but you'd still be in business. I wonder how that would have gone at the height of McCarthyism.

Make an argument, don't be intellectually lazy. How do you think it would have gone? Spitballing some historical fiction for the admittedly bizarre editorial? There would have been a public hue and cry. The editor who published the opinion piece would have lost their job, heads would have rolled (figuratively, not literally) in the WSJ editorial board. The person who wrote the editorial would have had a bad time in t…

As you confirm, the facts are straight: "The editor who published the opinion piece would have lost their job, heads would have rolled, etc"

The public pressure to adopt a particular line was comparable. The consequences for a company or personality not adopting a similar line were, and often still are "tied 100% to the approval or disapproval" which sees someone step down after a foolish quote.

Hundreds were imprisoned during the McCarthy era, so that's not an unreachable stretch either. It's not unthinkable.

To your edit: The equivalence is the equal pressure to conform (to the views of China / the prevailing views of the US), with similar consequences. The main difference is that a US corporation is conforming to an international view - because of that market, along with the speed that pressure can build via the internet.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by pnw_hazor » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

eberfreitas wrote: post #182

Real question: How is what China is doing any different from what we've seen the US do to Venezuela (the Adobe incident) or even Cuba for that matter?

China did not do this, Blizzard and the NBA did it. These are US companies/associations that supposedly support human and civil rights.

China can do whatever they want, Blizzard, the NBA, and others are voluntarily appeasing China (or act like they are trying to do so) and tossing their carefully developed facade of supporting human and civil rights out the window.

In contrast, Adobe is following a US law.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by larkeith » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 5:40 PM UTC

eberfreitas wrote: post #182

Real question: How is what China is doing any different from what we've seen the US do to Venezuela (the Adobe incident) or even Cuba for that matter?

One is standard international politics, with one government imposing sanctions on another. The other is a violation of Westphalian sovereignty.

Though it should be noted that the US has not been shy of such violations itself, and with them earned itself quite a bit of ill will - Venezuela is just not such a case.