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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by lovelyviking »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

I would agree. We should be angry. Especially with news, if they are correct, that you prohibited to install linux on newer Macs. As I understood you can boot linux from external flash drive, but it's not the same as installing it on internal storage. Did someone tried to install Linux after installing Catalina, I am afraid of a few surprises there ...

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by tgv »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

People here seem to have had positive experiences, which may be due to a bit of fanboyism or Apple hate, but a relatively technically capable colleague tried to install Ubuntu onto a Dell recently, and failed: grahpics and network issues; no idea if it could sleep. Two days of work lost, so now he has a mac.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by ohazi »

wyclif wrote: post #164
deltron3030 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the hardware manufacturer. But if you're a regular laptop user the bigger issue is trackpad feel, if you're used to Apple devices or the new Windows drivers for trackpads, it's not acceptable. You're better off switching the way you work to using a window manager and shortcuts, like most hardcore linux users do at some point.

I really wouldn't want to use a Linux laptop for work unless I had a WM installed like i3 or dwm, so I could completely ignore the awful trackpad. Apple may be bad at some things, but trackpads are not one of those things.

Can't argue with that! Lenovo trackpads seem to alternate between almost usable and utter trash every few years. I usually just plug in a mouse...

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by self_awareness »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

Angry or not, it doesn't matter. If you're angry and you give your money away, nobody cares. But, at the same time, if you're cheerful but you keep your money, you may start to influence things.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Operyl »

ohazi wrote: post #163
zamalek wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the current monstrosity literally requires you to let it reboot itself on a 9-5 schedule. * the previous monstrosity. Windows will now let you carry on without updating until seriously important security updates are a month old. They really do have to force the hand of ignorant users eventually, else Microsoft gets blamed for an insecure OS. I also don't understand where you get the idea that msft doesn't care abou…

I guess I'm behind the times. Is the Candy Crush installer still in the Start menu? Do they still randomly revert telemetry settings on updates? What was that thing I read last week about no more local user accounts? Maybe all of these things have little asterisks on them, but at this point I don't care anymore. Chrome and Firefox are also noticeably faster on Linux than on a fresh Windows install on the same machine…

> Is the Candy Crush installer still in the Start menu?

Yup.

> Do they still randomly revert telemetry settings on updates?

Yup. I've heard that this is a bug? Who knows, I just know I still see it flipping.

> What was that thing I read last week about no more local user accounts?

It's hidden behind the "Join a Domain" option, or triggers when you're not online. Dark patterns!

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by blub »

iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

It's a huge step forward, because some of the bad actors that have ruined mobile by abusing every possible API to read whatever they can get their hands on are also developing for the desktop.

The article is a pathological example anyway, because I got zero prompts even on my work machine.

And Vista was a good step forward also back then, but people can't be bothered to take care of their data.

This is why security work is such a slog, you're dealing with motivated, well funded attackers that only need to succeed once, while the people controlling the key to the castle are mostly nincompoops.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by mathemagics »

draugadrotten wrote: post #167
mathemagics wrote: post #47

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Agree that it is overall an improved experience. After upgrading, I discovered that a VPN app wanted access to my Documents folder. No reason it would need that, so I simply denied it. Lo and behold, the app continues to work just fine as expected. IMO, this alone is a big reason to upgrade to Catalina.

So what you are saying is that you don't trust the application to access your Documents folder, but you trust it with creating a VPN tunnel to keep your network traffic safe? uhmm.... To me, it seems that if the Documents permission dialogue in fact caught the app doing anything bad, it should remove all trust for the app and the developer. It's all or nothing, really.

No, what I'm saying is that a VPN application does not need access to my Documents folder, and if it tries to access it, then I'd like to know about it.

Nor do I entrust it with all my network traffic. As to whether it warrants completely removing the app or not, it's up to the user to decide, isn't it?

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Lio »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

The only real problem I have left with my XPS13 is with sleep/hibernate.

I’d like it to work like macOS. It seems like that’s possible but it requires a swapfile to save state to. As far as I can tell that means enabling virtual memory which is a no no on SSD.

Just that and I wish Bluetooth remembered the on/off state it was left in after reboot.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by jiofih »

blub wrote: post #176
iamleppert wrote: post #80

This isn’t a “step forward in user privacy” or whatever the others here are saying. It’s a mess and very poorly executed UX. Users will tend to feel overwhelmed and just click through modals when they are presented in this way. Displaying stacks of modals is an anti-pattern. The right thing to do would have been to create a migration UX that allows quick review and audit of application permissions, presented in a tab…

It's a huge step forward, because some of the bad actors that have ruined mobile by abusing every possible API to read whatever they can get their hands on are also developing for the desktop. The article is a pathological example anyway, because I got zero prompts even on my work machine. And Vista was a good step forward also back then, but people can't be bothered to take care of their data. This is why security w…

Any chance you work in corporate IT security? Sounds about right. Treat your users like dummies, maybe shove a dozen “security” dialogs in their faces, and have no qualms about disrupting their workflows or providing crappy experiences.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by tluyben2 »

bengalister wrote: post #159
ashishb wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

I didn't have any issue with Wifi and sleep on my home Dell XPS 13 9380 running Arch. As for the battery, well I followed the arch wiki recommendations (add a kernel startup parameter, and use tlp) and it is ok now but it does not just work out of the box. It is still not on par with Windows (I kept it just in case). I get around 8-9 hours of battery life on Windows while on Linux it is more like 6-7 hours. But it is…

All my Linux devices do a lot better under Linux than under Windows; Lenovo X220, MS Surface and GPD Pocket all run both but battery life is miles ahead of Windows for my use (programming and browsing for programming). I use Ubuntu with i3wm. i3wm is, I think, where most of the difference comes from; it is very light. And, imho, much easier to work with than mouse driven stuff.
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