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Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by Domenic_S »

save_ferris wrote: post #88
dpkonofa wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people feel this way. Apple's doing away with 3D Touch because of the data that says that people don't use it. What makes you think they wouldn't do the same with the Touch Bar? Despite that, I love the Touch Bar. I do tons of video and audio editing and it's super-convenient for me. It seems like HN just has a higher noise ratio against the TB because it's mostly programmers and a high percent…

MacRumors has been hinting that the touchbar is being phased out, but we’ll see. If you’re one of the people that actually gets value out of the touchbar, that’s great. Forcing it on all 15 in. MBPs and maxed-out 13 in. models was the biggest FU to Mac users and an insanely user-hostile decision. But they’ve been really good at pulling those lately, so I’m not getting my hopes up.

one of the reasons i bought an air instead of another mbp was so i could get touch id and no touchbar!

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dpkonofa »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #71
dpkonofa wrote: post #61

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You expect applications to have access to your desktop? You should only ever expect the user to have access to the desktop and, even then, the only apps that would ever prompt for access to the desktop are those that aren't updated for High Sierra and above. On the latest versions of macOS, the Desktop folder is shared by iCloud. This is definitely not an instance where security has been lowered nor is this the stand…

> You expect applications to have access to your desktop? Yes! That's what applications do , they read and write files. Most other software is, more likely than not, either a game or a web page. Does every app need to access my desktop specifically? No. But if we're trying to protect "normal users", I don't think most of them have the wherewithal to think through "what exact locations does and doesn't app X need to a…

Applications do not need permission. The user that is currently controlling the application needs to be able to use that application to read and write files but there's no reason that the application needs access when it's not in focus and, with the sandbox model in Catalina, applications have the ability to ask for explicit read/write permissions without prompting the user if they've already given access to install it.

The biggest protection here is that the folder is shared via iCloud in most instances. Asking for explicit permission is really the only way to do that safely.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by etchalon »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #127
etchalon wrote: post #125

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That sounds like deeply awful UX.

That sounds like deeply awful UX. Indeed, almost as bad as popping up countless dialogs per application.

Ah, yes, the tyranny of using the mechanism designed to ask a user to read and confirm something to read and confirm multiple somethings.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by nixpulvis »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

My thinkpad X1 carbon works just fine with Arch Linux. Though you do occasionally need to refer to the wiki to fix things. It's usually pretty painless.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by garmaine »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Yes. Buy a Lenovo and these work out of the box as you expect. In fact I get better battery life than under windows.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by dpkonofa »

ben509 wrote: post #90
dpkonofa wrote: post #60

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I disagree but only for one major reason: the entire reason this is coming up is because the OP is using an old version of Alfred that wasn't prepped for the new permission settings of Catalina even though there's a fully compatible version that's been released since. The vast majority of users will never, ever get something this obnoxious so it's not a bad on-boarding experience as much as it's a side effect of runn…

I don't know the numbers, especially as companies have pushed hard to change upgrade habits. But unless they're forced by automatic upgrades, most people wait years to upgrade. Even if they are upgrading because they get new hardware, they run all those migration assistants and such to copy everything over.

I'm sure they do but, as in the case of Alfred, they're notified multiple times that there is a newer version and that their OS may not support all the features of the app and vice versa. You have to explicitly ignore the dialog boxes and install the new OS anyways to get the behavior being demonstrated in the OP.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by trimbo »

ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

In Microsoft's defense, at least the Windows 10 updates are now quick. Last week a minor patch for MacOS took 30 minutes on a 2019 Macbook Pro.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by pojntfx »

ashishb wrote: post #130
ohazi wrote: post #123

Maybe we should be angry? Apple has been neglecting OS X since Snow Leopard, thinking that iOS is the only thing worth investing in. Microsoft apparently agrees -- they chopped up the Windows team last year, pushing out the Windows chief and dumping the remaining re-orged husk under Azure. Just for security reasons alone, it should be terrifying that there isn't a standalone Windows group anymore. Windows hasn't been…

WiFi, battery, and sleep. Have these problems been fixed with Linux on laptops?

Yes. Since ~5 years I haven't had a single problem with any Laptop (I'm mostly using ThinkPads, the newer ones, here even the Multi-Touch-Trackpoint and touchscreens perform better than under Windows).

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by microtonal »

ixtli wrote: post #5
etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

Yes their recent trend of moving user privacy to the forefront is one of the few really positive trends i've seen out of apple in the past 2-3 years. Ignoring that the questions being asked by the OS are good is very bizarre.

Yes their recent trend of moving user privacy to the forefront is one of the few really positive trends i've seen out of apple in the past 2-3 years.

Apple has moved privacy to the forefront for a much longer time. Apple was the first to roll out end-to-end encryption of messages to hundreds of millions of people (iMessage 2011), the first to roll out end-to-end encrypted (video) calls to hundreds of millions of people (Facetime, 2010). They introduced the secure enclave, which was quickly used throughout the OS with iPhone 5s in 2013.

Whatever reasons they have (and despite their failings), they have been pushing privacy for almost 10 years now.

Re: macOS 10.15 Vista

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Post by etchalon »

fbelzile wrote: post #72
etchalon wrote: post #3

I understand this is chaos, but it's chaos because it has to be. There's no way to move users from an world of opaque "if it's an application, it can do anything it wants" to a world of "applications should ask me when they want to do something" transparency. The idea that Apple doesn't care about the Mac because it's trying to explicitly improve our privacy and security is … weird.

The "privacy" dialog popups are just marketing. Sure, there may have been an issue with a few bad apps, but Apple found a way to continuously remind you that they are the only ones that 'care about your privacy'TM. Meanwhile, they still happily take Google's money to make it the default search engine in Safari.

… how is an actual functional limitation imposed on applications through an operating system's APIs "just marketing"?

If you click deny, BEHOLD, the application is denied that permission.

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