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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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The mobile phones are not free. Don't belittle people who pay good amount of money to purchase them. Even though some can purchase iPhone.

I'm not belittling, I'm just laying out the economic forces. Google doesn't have to give a care when it comes to services, at least, because its customers are the ones buying ads, not the ones using the products.

You are still belittling. Customers buy mobile not ads. Just ask any android users. It's like you are saying iPhone users are buying status symbols not mobiles.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Not only a country but Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. The government of China under Chiang Kai-shek established itself in Taiwan. If anything Taiwan is China and the PRC is the remnants of a communist overthrow.

I guess this comes down to whether a country is its government or its people.

Well, sometimes it's the land or the resources on the land. Or religion, too. Shoot, this is getting tricky.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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I'll look into it tonight and report back here. If I forget for some reason, anyone is welcome to ping hn@ycombinator.com. Edit: see reply below.

Sent you an email. Apologies for posting this meta discussion here.

We got your email and will reply, but as long as the question is here publicly, I suppose the answer should be too.

I finally got to look at this. There's no single pattern with these accounts. For starters, their comments are not all on the same political side. Some are defending Chinese policy and some are criticizing it. I don't see much of a pattern in the provenance of the accounts, either. Some are throwaway accounts being used by established users; in one case it's because we warned them to stop engaging in nationalistic flamewar, in other cases who knows. Some are breaking the guidelines by making a new account for each comment or two that they post. One account has existed for 3 years and the rest are new. To judge by IPs, one is posting from Hong Kong, one from Taiwan, and the rest from North America.

Based on the comments and other data I looked at, my best guess is that these accounts are all people who have spent time in both China and the West. Perhaps some are Westerners of Chinese background while others are from China, Hong Kong, and/or Taiwan and are either working in North America or did so in the past. Most likely they were motivated to create new accounts either because the active discussions going on provoked some reaction in them, or because they don't want their main account to get banned after we warned them, or because they're creating new accounts routinely. Some of their behavior definitely breaks the HN guidelines, but I didn't see anything that suggested more systematic abuse. Nor are they breaking the guidelines in ways that plenty of older users aren't already doing a lot of, unfortunately.

It's always possible, of course, that I missed something important. We don't know what we don't know. But we've spent years working with this data and user behavior and, to judge by the occasions when some real-world verification has been possible, have learned to make reasonably informed guesses.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Does it make anyone else uncomfortable to see a fairly high number of freshly created accounts that only comment on China related threads? Specifically (read the comment history for these accounts): * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thewholeview * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=surajama * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thrwy_01 * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=7u5432throw * https://news.ycombin…

This, if accurate, is quite reflective of all online forums of discourse unfortunately. The game is rigged.

Please see my reply at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884.

It's really, really important not to jump to conclusions about other posters. When people do that they usually make serious mistakes and sometimes quite regrettable ones, such as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19403358. In the latter case the user really was hounded off the site.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Does it make anyone else uncomfortable to see a fairly high number of freshly created accounts that only comment on China related threads? Specifically (read the comment history for these accounts): * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thewholeview * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=surajama * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=thrwy_01 * https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=7u5432throw * https://news.ycombin…

Also surprising to see pretty good English in these comments given the fact that most Chinese residents absolutely suck at it.

There's no need to be mean about that. Also, please see my reply at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199884. Most likely these are users of mixed background, meaning they've either grown up in China, Hong Kong or Taiwan and worked in the West, or vice versa.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Sent you an email. Apologies for posting this meta discussion here.

We got your email and will reply, but as long as the question is here publicly, I suppose the answer should be too. I finally got to look at this. There's no single pattern with these accounts. For starters, their comments are not all on the same political side. Some are defending Chinese policy and some are criticizing it. I don't see much of a pattern in the provenance of the accounts, either. Some are throwaway ac…

Thank you for looking into - this context is really helpful.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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The thing you aren’t getting is that hiding a single emoji button for a flag in Hong Kong makes almost no contribution to changing the state of Chinese censorship and is enshrined in Chinese law, whereas intentionally undermining encryption on consumer products in the US At the behest of the government is both unconstitutional, unprecedented and a massive concession to authoritarianism. You continue to make an absurd…

> You continue to make an absurd and indefensible false equivalence. You're stridently insisting on your interpretation, when there's more than one way to look at it. I'm just asking you to not dismiss the emoji thing so easily.

I’m not dismissing it. I think it’s a problem.

I just think it is nowhere near comparable to the issue of giving access to someone’s personal data.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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We got your email and will reply, but as long as the question is here publicly, I suppose the answer should be too. I finally got to look at this. There's no single pattern with these accounts. For starters, their comments are not all on the same political side. Some are defending Chinese policy and some are criticizing it. I don't see much of a pattern in the provenance of the accounts, either. Some are throwaway ac…

Thank you for looking into - this context is really helpful.

I wrote a bunch more here, if you or anyone is interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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'One country two systems' as agreed to by the CCP under the Sino-British Joint Declaration, prior to the handover of Hong Kong, means that the PRC is only responsible for military defence of HK. Anyone who disagrees that 'one country two systems' applies in Hong Kong is accusing the CCP of lying. Which we know the CCP would never do. Edit: anyone who has spent time on HN in the last few years and commented on the act…

That last bit breaks the HN guidelines badly. Would you please re-read them and follow them? Such cheap accusations of brigading get made all the time from both sides and have proven to be completely unreliable. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.

While accusations of brigading are common, I don't think the accusation is cheap in this case, you and I are both aware that the brigading happens on China related articles - we've spoke about it directly with each other via email. I would assume per the above you're looking at the data.

The last part is a bit of a deliberate trap - I've stated a fact, that the CCP agreed to provide HK with 'a high degree of autonomy'. If the anti-democracy suspects should downmod it, because it promotes allowing HK to do what the CCP agreed, they would be accusing their masters of lying. I quite deliberately did not make any allegation that the CCP would lie.

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