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Post by baud147258 »

goatinaboat wrote: post #422
Swizec wrote: post #101

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At least 30% of my enjoyment of Venom came from it being set in SF and me going “Hey look I know that corner!” or “Wow we’ve been to that restaurant, they totally used a different place for that shop front!” Seeing your town in a movie is incredibly rewarding. Just like a musician is basically required to shout “Hello $PLACE” at some point during a performance PS: for the downvoters, that’s what the linked article ci…

There is also that the CCP won’t approve a movie for release in China unless it has Chinese scenes.

It's not the only conditions, there's also conditions like positive portrayal of the CCP gov and no Chinese as a bad guy and so on.

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Post by squarefoot »

mikelyons wrote: post #481
squarefoot wrote: post #461

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My point is that their "crimes" were painted as such by the same establishment which got damaged by their revelations, while others would find many of those revelations a public service. Forcing the media to align with the establishment POV, with the intended purpose of manipulating public opinion about those people, is not much different from Chinese censorship: a pot-kettle-black scenario in which the cleanest one…

I think you're conflating propaganda with censorship, but I suppose the effects are similar ... or maybe they're the same thing and I am under-informed. edit: or maybe that's your point and that's why you mentioned the definition?

They're not the same thing but can be tightly linked. Propaganda is when say a government controls its citizens through lies spread by the media, censorship can be the step further to prevent those who don't buy the lies from exposing them, usually it's used when propaganda alone doesn't work, which is the case of people not divided in small factions fighting each other (lefties vs righties etc). Basically in the western world we have more propaganda than censorship because in "divided and conquered" contexts propaganda alone does still work; people buy the lies then fight against the neighbor ignoring the evil king so no need to make them feel more oppressed than necessary, a step that could incite revolts.

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Post by yungcoder »

dang wrote: post #662
yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

You Godwinned up a huge flamewar with this. That's seriously not cool—political and nationalistic flamewar with Nazi overtones is a failure here. We'd appreciate it if you'd please read the site guidelines and take this one to heart: " Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. " https://news.ycombinator.com/new…

So stating an opinion with valid comparisons is simply just flaming now, eh? Good to know the concept of "genuinely new" is up to you and you alone to decide.

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Post by hulahoof »

dghughes wrote: post #439
woah wrote: post #413

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Isn't there a pretty objective and non-political case that Taiwan is it's own country? It has its own laws and government, and has presided over its own affairs for more than 50 years. Whether the CCP wishes this was not the case doesn't affect the reality on the ground.

Not only a country but Taiwan is officially the Republic of China. The government of China under Chiang Kai-shek established itself in Taiwan. If anything Taiwan is China and the PRC is the remnants of a communist overthrow.

I guess this comes down to whether a country is its government or its people.

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Post by howtofly »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #677
howtofly wrote: post #666

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Theoretically, a government should represent its people, which should be the foundation of democracy. If that foundation were broken, it is far more worrisome than these China/Taiwan/HK events. I suggest fixing it ASAP. For example, the op can protest to urge his/her government to recognize Taiwan as a country, which will be "a beautiful landscape" as described by Nancy Patricia Pelosi.

> Theoretically, a government should represent its people, which should be the foundation of democracy. If that foundation were broken Well, in many countries it absolutely is. And there is no way to fix this. And even if a government was really elected legitimately and chosen not to recognize Taiwan I doubt this meant the people didn't know Taiwan is a de-facto independent country and actively wanted to keep it unre…

> Well, in many countries it absolutely is. And there is no way to fix this.

That a legal government of a modern democratic country cannot represent its people is a horrendous claim. As a strong believer of democracy, I'd rather assume that you were the minority in this case. The everyone claim may hold true for everyone you know (among the minority of your country of course).

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Post by Razengan »

Is this the same Apple that was peacocking about defying its OWN government not long ago, during the FBI iPhone access hullabaloo?

Now they're aiding the repression of an entire nation trying to defy a much more tyrannical government?

Regarding Taiwan, I haven't been there, but from what I've seen/read about the country and spoken to the people from there, their situation seems like such a shame too. They deserve better recognition. China has long been acting like a petty schoolyard bully, "If you're their friend you can't be our friend!"

I know I shouldn't be feeling this way about an entire people, but this whole situation is making me cold towards Chinese people in general, for letting such a government carry on like this for so long.

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Post by alliao »

thesausageking wrote: post #256

The anger towards Apple in this thread is misdirected. The US government's official stance recognizes "that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China" and that "the United States does not support Taiwan independence" From: https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/ Why should Apple be expected to take a political stance at odds with the official Chinese and US government policies?

I'll quote the full text "the United States recognized the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China."

I'll put the emphasis on "Chinese position"

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Post by howtofly »

howtofly wrote: post #685
qwerty456127 wrote: post #677

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> Theoretically, a government should represent its people, which should be the foundation of democracy. If that foundation were broken Well, in many countries it absolutely is. And there is no way to fix this. And even if a government was really elected legitimately and chosen not to recognize Taiwan I doubt this meant the people didn't know Taiwan is a de-facto independent country and actively wanted to keep it unre…

> Well, in many countries it absolutely is. And there is no way to fix this. That a legal government of a modern democratic country cannot represent its people is a horrendous claim. As a strong believer of democracy, I'd rather assume that you were the minority in this case. The everyone claim may hold true for everyone you know (among the minority of your country of course).

I was writing to make it clear that it's inappropriate for minority to make such "everybody" claim. And obviously the above reasoning applies perfectly to EVERYBODY holding similar opinions, especially those living in modern democratic countries.

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Post by baud147258 »

baud147258 wrote: post #680
Swizec wrote: post #101

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At least 30% of my enjoyment of Venom came from it being set in SF and me going “Hey look I know that corner!” or “Wow we’ve been to that restaurant, they totally used a different place for that shop front!” Seeing your town in a movie is incredibly rewarding. Just like a musician is basically required to shout “Hello $PLACE” at some point during a performance PS: for the downvoters, that’s what the linked article ci…

A good chunk of the latest Mission Impossible movie was this for me with Paris, especially with places where I've walked around, like the seat of the ministry of finance along the Seine. Of course the path taken didn't make any sense, but that wasn't much of an issue.

Also I had a reaction like "that's not how French cops operate when moving an inmate!"

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Post by _bxg1 »

hesarenu wrote: post #630
_bxg1 wrote: post #402

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They are, loosely, the champions of their customers at least, unlike most of the tech world. They have to do a good enough job to get you to spend $1k on the next year's device. Google just has to not-suck enough that you won't stop using it for free . But yes, any true moral posturing they make is baloney.

The mobile phones are not free. Don't belittle people who pay good amount of money to purchase them. Even though some can purchase iPhone.

I'm not belittling, I'm just laying out the economic forces. Google doesn't have to give a care when it comes to services, at least, because its customers are the ones buying ads, not the ones using the products.
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