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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by Swizec »

pradn wrote: post #72
behnamoh wrote: post #56

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Man that's crazy! They must've paid real close attention to it, but I think it's partly due to low resolution screens available in circa 1995. On a low-res screen, it's impossible to draw maps completely according to the borders, so this was probably inevitable and unintentional.

Inside Microsoft, there's a whole database of geopolitically-sensitive issues that have been accrued over the years. You can see all sorts of border disputes and differences in language that you had to take into account when working on global products. On a related note, now you have movies with different scenes in China. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the_extra_looper_scenes_y https://kotaku.com/why-many-in-china-hat…

At least 30% of my enjoyment of Venom came from it being set in SF and me going “Hey look I know that corner!” or “Wow we’ve been to that restaurant, they totally used a different place for that shop front!”

Seeing your town in a movie is incredibly rewarding. Just like a musician is basically required to shout “Hello $PLACE” at some point during a performance

PS: for the downvoters, that’s what the linked article cites as the reason that movie gets extra scenes in China. Chinese audiences liked seeing their city in a scene that Western audiences didn’t care about.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dheera »

unethical_ban wrote: post #89
paxys wrote: post #55

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This is true for every country in the world. Google Maps in the US displays borders/countries which the US government recognizes.

I disagree. You may see "contested" borders, but not outright US policy. For example, the US recognizes the sovereignty of Kosovo, but Google Maps shows it as a dotted border. And Wikipedia accurately describes it as a disputed state.

Recognition of one side or another in a foreign dispute is a little different than having your own dispute or claim.

Guantanamo Bay (disputed between US/Cuba) used to be marked as US territory in Google Maps at least when viewed from the US, although interestingly, I'm looking at it now it doesn't say Cuba / United States along the border anymore.

I can't imagine the amount of crap they must go through on the backend to deal with these idiotic human politics. Humans suck.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by yourbandsucks »

api wrote: post #96
learc83 wrote: post #94

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The TPP was designed to contain China. China wasn't a part of it.

If that's true then I'm wrong, but I'll need a reference on that. My understanding has been that the TPP was about opening China to further outsourcing of white collar work by regularizing IP law on paper (which the Chinese would just ignore of course). This would have allowed more paralegal, contract writing, engineering, and even things like radiology (X-ray and scan interpretation) to be outsourced, further guttin…

China wasn't a signatory.

You're right that it was corporate captured but the original goal was geopolitical.

Edit, cite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dmix »

adrianmonk wrote: post #47
degenerate wrote: post #6

The degree that China goes to censor things reminds me of kindergarten. Pull the shades down, and kids won't want to go outside? Is it simply a reminder to their people of who's in charge, at this level of pettiness?

Personally, I wouldn't use the word petty because I think it suggests that the motivation is basically about childish insecurity and that there isn't a deliberate rationale behind it. Instead, I think China does this sort of thing to control discourse and/or to send constant reminders that certain lines should not be crossed or there will be consequences. Both are bad things, but they are different types of bad thing…

Censorship has a natural way of forever expanding and broadening in scope.

Often because it’s the only power some groups can exert on others (in this case China's gov to western companies) so they push it as far as they can into the realm of ridiculousness. Plus people get job promotions or feel-good emotions about "doing something".

Eventually you run out of legitimate things to ban so you expand the scope. Then you can start banning people who complain about bannings, which naturally generating groups with victim complexes warranting more bannings, etc.

This is not unique to China.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by thrwn_frthr_awy »

jaynetics wrote: post #79
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #32

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China is showing the ability to control one of the world's largest, and most advanced companies. It isn't petty–it is scary. The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs.

> The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs. This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are? In truth, I think most people are simply unaware of the many problems caused both by consumerism, and the moral spinelessness of pretty much all large corporations and how that is brought about by market forces. Even in…

> This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are?

I'm sorry it came off that way, as I do not blame people for the propaganda of their government (U.S. or China).

I do absolutely believe that we shouldn't be able to off-shore environmental/worker's rights policies. If you want to sell something in California, it should be made with the same environmental standards that making it in California would require.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by eternalban »

jaynetics wrote: post #79
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is showing the ability to control one of the world's largest, and most advanced companies. It isn't petty–it is scary. The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs.

> The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs. This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are? In truth, I think most people are simply unaware of the many problems caused both by consumerism, and the moral spinelessness of pretty much all large corporations and how that is brought about by market forces. Even in…

> This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are?

I didn't read GP's "others" as "populace". One reading would have the U.S. and other [governments] have given in to excessive demands of China.

Now the "devil" in the question doesn't necessarily have to be China. It could be Global Finance -- an abstraction which believe it or not is reasonably reducible to actual people and families, the fabled "1%" [sic].

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by 7u5432throw »

oconnor663 wrote: post #36
degenerate wrote: post #6

The degree that China goes to censor things reminds me of kindergarten. Pull the shades down, and kids won't want to go outside? Is it simply a reminder to their people of who's in charge, at this level of pettiness?

Imagine that the war of 1812 had resulted a complete British/Canadian conquest of the US, which lasted for the most of the 19th century. Then imagine that Florida had successfully seceded from the US after WWII and joined the Soviet Union, along with all of Canada. Then finally imagine that the Soviet Union won the Cold War and has been the sole world superpower for the last thirty years. How would we feel, in that w…

Exactly. China’s reaction is far from petty.

They had a civil war and the other side fled to Taiwan. This is a major issue for China.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by wccrawford »

jaynetics wrote: post #79
thrwn_frthr_awy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is showing the ability to control one of the world's largest, and most advanced companies. It isn't petty–it is scary. The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs.

> The U.S. and others have sold their soul to the devil for $299 flat screen tvs. This seems to suggest the populace is at fault, wanting and buying cheap gadgets no matter what the consequences are? In truth, I think most people are simply unaware of the many problems caused both by consumerism, and the moral spinelessness of pretty much all large corporations and how that is brought about by market forces. Even in…

I'd push the blame a little further on. Many, many people are just struggling to get by, and they pay as little as they possible can for their luxury goods.

If they weren't struggling to get by on the wages they make, they could afford to be a little more picky about what they buy and how it's created.

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