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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Who can't you add to that list, though? According to the Financial Times, Tencent alone has board seats on more than 400 companies.

Seems kind of nuts that a country with such a drastically different governance and economic model is allowed to exert (effectively direct) control over so many companies. Seems like a glaring weakness.

I should point out it's 400 companies across the world, not just in the US.

Still, the national grid of my European country is controlled by a literally state-owned Chinese company, so Tencent seems tame in comparison.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Corporations ARE NOT the government. Corporations have NO obligation to tolerate your hate speech on their platform. Free speech ONLY applies to government.

There we are was looking for the users saying "it's not censorship"

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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The obvious, necessary solution would be to respond by aggressively doxing the executives of Blizzard and their large stockholders. It's all about money until your wife and kids start getting calls at night and the cops kick in your door. There's no reason to remain civil when fighting those who'd stand against human rights.

So a company does a shit move and you want to take it out on kids? Doxing is never the answer. The answer is: stop using products from shit companies.

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

It happened during an event sponsored by Blizzard. Player may have their opinions but they are paid (through prizes) and broadcast by Blizzard. It means that Blizzard gets to set the rules about what can be said. And in case it wasn't obvious, it is explicitly stated in the competition rules. There is a difference between tolerating Blitzchung's opinions and letting him hijack an interview to make a political stateme…

> There is a difference between tolerating Blitzchung's opinions and letting him hijack an interview to make a political statement that has nothing to do with Hearthstone. I mean, he appeared wearing goggles and a gas mask, and the first (an only) thing he said was "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our times" in a post-game interview.

Wow, that is really offensive. I can see why they would ban him for a year for saying such horrible things.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Your comments here and below have broken the site guidelines badly. Please read and follow them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Note this one: Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.

No one who reads these threads remotely objectively would say "The pro-china movement on HN is extremely strong". Accounts that argue that side are a tiny minority, and frequently get barraged with accusations of bad faith, which is a form of internet bullying. It's true that people sometimes create throwaway accounts to argue the other side. But it's easy to understand why—like I just said, they get barraged.

When we look into such cases, we nearly always find—to the extent that we find anything—that these commenters are people in Western countries who are either of Chinese background, have experience in China, or are Chinese expats. Sometimes they are Westerners living in China. Overwhelmingly, the evidence is that they are good faith users just like you are, who have different backgrounds and experiences from you, which lead them to see the same situations differently than you do. What that calls for is not accusation and suppression but tolerance. As a seasoned HN user, someone who has shared many of your own wide-ranging experiences over the years, you ought to be practicing and modeling that for others.

Could they be spies or shills or foreign agents? Sure they could; so could you. What can we do other than look for evidence? Some evidence of something—anything. You have zero evidence for making these dramatic sinister claims, which poison discussion and destroy community. Just imagine if someone accused you of being a paid propagandist or spy when you were simply posting in good faith. This is a mob behavior. It's not welcome on HN, which is why we have that guideline. (No, not because we're pro-Chinese or secret communists.)

How you leap from zero evidence to "it couldn't be more obvious" or (downthread) "the increasing number of accounts that are very, very obviously paid or otherwise government controlled to influence opinions on HN" is really shocking to me. You're far from the only user doing this—it's rampant—but it's utterly dismaying to see a longstanding and good HN contributor pouring this poison in here by the bucket.

By the way, when we find accounts that are using HN primarily for political battle, including nationalistic battle, we either ban them or ask them to stop. We do that regardless of what they happen to be battling for—it's against the site guidelines either way. But I can tell you from the heart, as the person responsible for keeping the peace here, that pro-China accounts doing such things are barely a blip of an issue compared to comments like the ones you posted here. They exist, but they're impotent. It's comments like yours, which manifest the real shadow of this community, that have me scared and worried for HN.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

> It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. Hopefully this pushes more people to use open source software.

This is not limited to closed software. Remember the Chef developer who got all political and deleted his github. This is the new norm in software it appears.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/20/chef_roasted_for_ic...

Luckily it was something that could be easily remedied.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Corporations ARE NOT the government. Corporations have NO obligation to tolerate your hate speech on their platform. Free speech ONLY applies to government.

There we are was looking for the users saying "it's not censorship"

I'm not saying this is not censorship. I'm just giving the boundary of free speech.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Cancel culture is about _using_ censorship to limit free speech, which blizzard purposefully participated in on behalf of China, so we want to stop that limiting and encourage free speech, or at least not immediately ban someone for a year and 0 their prize money. One fights for censorship, the other fights for freedom. I uninstalled hearthstone, which is the last activision blizzard product I used.

Right, you cancelled Hearthstone from your life because you don't care for the actions of its creators. Not unlike, say, ceasing to watch a comedian because you don't like how they punch down, or ceasing to book rms for speaking engagements because he's too stressful to deal with. Don't shy away from it; that's "cancel culture." (Or, more accurately, "cancel culture" doesn't exist; it's just freedom of association in…

> We don't have to argue with anybody. We don't have to curse and go around acting bad with our words. We don't need any bricks and bottles, we don't need any Molotov cocktails, we just need to go around to these stores, and to these massive industries in our country, and say, God sent us by here, to say to you that you're not treating his children right. And we've come by here to ask you to make the first item on your agenda – fair treatment, where God's children are concerned. Now, if you are not prepared to do that, we do have an agenda that we must follow. And our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you.

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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