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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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> and the west has fought wars over this very issue Which ones? Also, China has nukes, we probably don't want to see that war starting. I don't think there's a good military option available.

Do they have the capacity to hit targets in the continental US without winning naval supremacy?

They can launch people into orbit and safely bring them back. Hitting a ground target with an ICBM is about the same difficulty.

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Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China. Really seems like a win win scenario.

How about Chinese owners? Chinese Tencent owns 5 percent of Blizzard, if full owner of Riot Games, 48% of Epic Games, 11.5% of Bluehole (Fortnite and PUBG), 5% of Ubisoft. They are also investor in Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-... AMC is fully owned by Chinese. The largest movie theater chain in the United States is fully owned by Chinese. Legendary Entertainment Group is owned…

Matt Stoller has been doing some coverage on just how much control China has built in Western economies. Quite scary.

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/how-joe-biden-empowered-c...

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#133

Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

I'm not clear what software has to do with this. It's happening across all industries, here's a good roundup of a bunch of other examples:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/07/china-censorship-daryl-mo...

Is software special in this case somehow?

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Could you just publish garbage instead?

You could but everybody uses version pinning in production, right?

People who are serious about reproducible builds host their own repos. Most people probably don’t know the difference between ^1.0.1 and ~1.0.1

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#136

This is shaping to be fun tactic in the culture war. To force corporations that want to be seen as woke in the west to bow to China which will hurt their image at home. If someone manages to do it with Nike it will be fun to watch.

>If someone manages to do it with Nike it will be fun to watch.

It just happened with the NBA:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/asia/nba-china-houston-rocket...

They pulled the 2017 All-Star game from Charlotte over transgender bathroom laws, but bent over for China when a prominent manager spoke out in support of Hong Kong. Utterly spineless.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#138

This is really unfortunate. I don’t game a ton, but when I do I pretty much only play Starcraft or Overwatch. Long time fan of the GSL as well. I know it’s nothing but a drop in the bucket but I will no longer support Blizzard - time to find another game. Perhaps we should organize a day of protest across all blizzard games. I think it’s pretty telling that I don’t feel comfortable posting this on my main account.

Or, you know, gamers need to grow some moral principles and stop giving companies like this money. I already didn't like where Blizzard was going, this seals it for me. I'm not giving them any more money.

Fortunately the games mentioned don’t require any money other than the initial upfront cost, hence the protest. Protesting could also vastly raise queue times, making the experience i enjoyable for many.

But I agree, I’ll never spend another $ on anything blizzard unless they take a different stand on the issue.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

#139
Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle.

Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions.

The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting opinions, and it tries to make it a new normal that all actors should censor any undesirable or potentially undesirable opinion.

If that is indeed the way, then our society and the discourse therein is no longer free, and the CCP has won.

We need to keep these firms in our mind. We need to keep a list of when this happens, and we need to sanction this as best as we can. Similarly, anyone standing up to censorship should have our support.

I can be pro HK, or I can be pro China, and I can voice opinions because doing so either way is an equally valid form of free expression. But it can not be that one side gets pre-emptively censored to appease the CCP, or any actor with the power to DEFINE the bar of what is reasonable expression of opinions.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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China has been leveraging their power "quietly" for some time now. Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Even here on hackernews you'll see tons of posts on negative chinese news from month old accounts fuzzing the narrative saying some variation of "it's not easy to understand if you're not chinese etc etc" The hong kong issue is just bringing the issue into the mainstre…

> Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".

It's not to defend China/Russia but to prove that the accuser is not interested in the problem itself but only in weaponizing the problem against those countries. Defense is not necessary or actually even possible since the claims are always made without any evidence.
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