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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by peacelilly »

boardwaalk wrote: post #257
pimmen wrote: post #229

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If the Western governments could maybe grow a pair and call out how this is very unfair maybe something would happen. I work for one of the largest news publishers in the Nordics, and we were criticized for letting the CCP take out a full page ad in our largest newspaper that essentially said "no need for the Western governments to get involved, this is an internal issue that is best handled by us". Our editor in chi…

There is unfortunately a gaping hole where United States leadership should be and I don’t feel the companies or countries that used to be able to “follow the leader” have figured how to deal with it. Good on your paper for having the some fortitude.

> gaping hole where United States leadership should be

I've seen this exact wording a lot recently. Is this the new propaganda line everyone parrots? I must have missed the previous administration's strong stance on ANYTHING AT ALL dealing with international relations, besides killing people from the sky. When did the previous administration lead on anything and not just bow down (literally bowing) to international leaders.

Sorry, the gaping hole in leadership was filled with someone who cares about the USA.

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Post by johnfactorial »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #188
zwaps wrote: post #139

Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

So far I've noticed: 1> New Top Gun Movie removed a patch on Tom Cruises jacketdue to Chinese funding. 2> NBA issued an apology for an owner showing Hong Kong support and China stopped NBA broadcasts. 3> Blizzard 4> Apple Hides Taiwans Flag emoji Sounds trivial but they're the tip of the iceberg for censoring freedom of expression based on a DICTATOR's whim. Xi "Winnie The Poop" is an autocrat and once he sealed his…

5> Vans removes innocuous custom shoe design https://www.cnn.com/style/article/vans-hong-kong-intl-hnk-sc...

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Post by redleggedfrog »

IanSanders wrote: post #351
redleggedfrog wrote: post #349

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"I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available." Wait, what? A boycott is not doing something. It takes no time, you just choose to do something different, and let people know why you made the choice. I stopped playing Hearthstone,…

I never said I'm not boycotting. All I'm saying is not enough people will even know to boycott

I'm glad to hear that. Speak up about your boycott. I have a cadre of friends who play Hearthstone, and they know why I stopped. Maybe I've now had .001% influence on them, and that'd be great.

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Post by _bxg1 »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #201
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #144

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> Six Corporations control 90% of the media in America Totally incomparable. America has the First Amendment. Its government and corporations can be held accountable in courts. Any rando has the capacity to pine off about anything on Twitter. Meanwhile China boasts a centralised bureaucracy literally censoring Winnie the Pooh images because its dictator doesn’t like his resemblance. Yes, America has a media ownership…

As has been spammed in many threads about hate speech type censorship before, only the government is legally accountable to the First Amendment, private businesses and that corporate personhood BS can use their own freedom of speech to censor whoever they want on their platforms.

Exactly. By surrendering more and more of our society to the private sector, we're surrendering more and more to organizations in which we don't get a vote.

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Post by roenxi »

fishtacos wrote: post #224
Steltek wrote: post #163

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Was that the same lover of freedom that campaigned to take away the freedom of others?

People forget the context of the uproar and protests against Brendan. Indeed he was the lover of freedom that sent in political donations to take freedom away from others - namely, those not like him. It's interesting to see how people, especially champions of freedom of expression, can compartmentalize that mentality so easily and justify it to oneself. Those people deserve to be called out. Calling them out is also…

By a careful examination of Hinduism, Christianity, Islam and atheism I can tell that a large number of people are spreading damaging mistruths about some of the most important aspects of life. Much more damaging than being wrong about gay marriage.

We have to be able to compartmentalise what people are wrong about that affects their work and what they are wrong about that does not. It is distasteful to support someone who is obnoxiously wrong but their being excellent at what they do has to count for something.

Dunno what the story is for this specific political spat at Mozilla; but compartmentalising "relevant to my work" and "irrelevant to my work" is a fundamental plank in the wobbly structure of civilised society. Even the most rabid will support some aspects of freedom and not others. Support compartmentalisation, even if in this case it meant he was the wrong man for the job and had to go.

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Post by jerf »

whoevercares wrote: post #273
trentnix wrote: post #234

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It is hard to tell, that is true. And that reality is exploited to silence opposition and control others. That’s why language policing, hate speech laws, Twitter mobs, and bully-the-bully efforts are abominations. So really, the answer is easy: everyone has the right to offend, and has no right not to be offended. Your simple rule doesn’t go far enough.

Humans are emotional animals and many can be dominated by feelings, your answer assume they are entirely logical

Quite the contrary. You should assume that if you step out into the stream of general discourse, you will be offended by something. You will have feelings. Be ready.

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Post by SantalBlush »

FillardMillmore wrote: post #321
SantalBlush wrote: post #274

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How about Julian Assange? 'Cancel culture' may not be censorship in its technical definition, but isn't that effectively what it's achieving? A comedian, for example, tweets some half-baked remark that some (loud minority) find offensive. Of course, they do respond to this negatively but the media also runs with it and this group of loud people call for the cancellation of shows, appearances, and sometimes even call…

I agree with a lot of what you say here, and I also think people should be more resilient to offensive remarks by others. I'm only saying that calling it censorship is alarmist and untrue.

Moreover, my above comment is grayed out right now as some people downvote it. Let's all think about that irony for a moment.

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Post by ViViDboarder »

helpPeople wrote: post #305
zygimantasdev wrote: post #30

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I guess what I meant - I looked at these issues differently, others probably too. Apple, Google "selling out" to be in China? Oh well - that seems reasonable since its a big market. South Park put it into different perspective. I guess that is what art does

Google sold out to China how?

Censored search engine. Project Dragonfly.

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Post by ahi »

propter_hoc wrote: post #191
alimbada wrote: post #158

It's a shame but I feel like the majority of gamers won't care. They'll either be ignorant of this or they'll just shrug and continue playing. I boycotted Activision and by proxy Blizzard when Activision acquired them a long time ago but their continuing success shows I'm part of an extremely tiny minority.

Well, currently the Hearthstone and Blizzard discussion forums on Reddit are up in arms. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/blizzard

r/blizzard is now locked down.
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