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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by cryptica »

nabla9 wrote: post #61
diveanon wrote: post #27

Can we please start a cultural movement that forces large corporations to choose between appeasing Chinese censors and looking like fools to the rest of the west or getting banned in China. Really seems like a win win scenario.

How about Chinese owners? Chinese Tencent owns 5 percent of Blizzard, if full owner of Riot Games, 48% of Epic Games, 11.5% of Bluehole (Fortnite and PUBG), 5% of Ubisoft. They are also investor in Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-... AMC is fully owned by Chinese. The largest movie theater chain in the United States is fully owned by Chinese. Legendary Entertainment Group is owned…

The solution is very simple. The government should take possession of any company that grows beyond a maximum size and distribute the shares to the public.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by zipwitch »

cabalamat wrote: post #248
bsder wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Boycott the Hearthstone pro players/streamers. Blizzard won't notice the money from a couple hundred people going away. The streamers/pros on the other hand will most certainly notice even a couple of people going away and will leave Hearthstone to rot. Once the pros l…

> Once the pros leave Hearthstone for another game, Hearthstone will die. THAT will get Blizzard's attention. Why would Blizzard care, if they are still making money on the other games people left Heathstone for?

There are non-Blizzard alternatives to most (if not all) of Blizzard's offerings. Magic: The Gathering Online instead of Hearthstone. League of Legends or other MOBAs instead of Overwatch. SW:TOR, Shroud of the Avatar, or even Destiny to scratch the MMO itch.

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Post by whoevercares »

trentnix wrote: post #234
bayesian_horse wrote: post #215

It's really hard to tell the difference between what is genuinely offensive and what is not. No easy answers. In this case, maybe there is a relatively simple rule: Supporting democracy must not in itself be regarded as offensive...

It is hard to tell, that is true. And that reality is exploited to silence opposition and control others. That’s why language policing, hate speech laws, Twitter mobs, and bully-the-bully efforts are abominations. So really, the answer is easy: everyone has the right to offend, and has no right not to be offended. Your simple rule doesn’t go far enough.

Humans are emotional animals and many can be dominated by feelings, your answer assume they are entirely logical

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Post by SantalBlush »

tomp wrote: post #154
johnday wrote: post #149

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This is utter nonsense. Political censorship in the East is not a response to modern liberal views in the West. That is so completely obvious that it boggles the mind that I even needed to say it.

Well thank God then that wasn't my argument. What I'm saying is, China is co-opting modern liberal censorship in the West to do it's own political censorship (edit: in the West).

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

aznumeric wrote: post #113
qmmmur wrote: post #57

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It's serendipitous all these events are happening now for me personally. I was recently burned by a piece of very useful and well crafted software (closed source). I did a fresh install on my machine and went to find their website which to my dismay had completely disappeared! I followed whatever breadcrumbs were left and found a whole thing had happened while I wasn't paying attention where the copyright for this so…

Same thing happened with Tridef. The company went under, didn't release a free version of the software, and now people who bought it legally have to resort to using a crack.

I've said it a few times, but it's worth repeating IMO: copyright is a deal, where a creator gets a time-limited monopoly in exchange for works entering the public domain.

If a company have arranged things so their work can't enter the public domain (eg DRM) then they should not get copyright protection, fundamentally it's wrong to get the benefit of copyright without giving up your work to the public domain.

This can be solved by a requirement to register an unhindered copy, whilst they're at it orphaned works should be made copyright free, IMO.

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Post by bjourne »

tomp wrote: post #192
bjourne wrote: post #171

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Can you give an example of what you mean with "oppression of freedom of speech on account of hurt feelings"? Because I wasn't aware that such oppression were ongoing. To me it sounds like a fringe theory spread by those who oppose hate speech laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_shaming#Tim_Hunt_contro...

Who do you claim is oppressing who's freedom om speech on account of hurt feelings in your example?

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Post by cm2187 »

zwaps wrote: post #139

Then we have to boycott Hearthstone. While the current case is neither surprising nor substantially important, it is important because of principle. Blizzard is not responsible for what players say in interviews. In our society, it still matters that people can tolerate other opinions. The Chinese government tries to make it a new normal that entire people can have their "feelings hurt" (what?) by mere non-insulting…

I agree with your position but it is at odd with the general de-platforming movement. Where banning people from platforms where they can express their opinion seems to be now an acceptable form of political discourse.

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Post by michannne »

IanSanders wrote: post #262

I agree 100% that we should boycott and sanction, however doubt there will be enough people who will, and enough people who care. And I don't blame most for not caring, there are more things to worry about than we have time available. Maybe 1% of hearthstone players will see your comment. Similarly, there are other entities which need to be sanctioned, which you and me won't find out about as it's outside of our area…

I'm concerned as to how you would justify such an institution

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Post by idlewords »

zaphod420 wrote: post #253
diveanon wrote: post #37

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What is happening there is literally what has led to revolutions in several western countries over the last couple centuries. The Chinese are correct to be afraid, they have spent the last half century cleansing the concept of freedom from their society and they are terrified of what comes next. People are going to start dying publicly in HK very soon, and the rest of the world will have to decide which side of histo…

"People are going to start dying publicly in HK" Live free or die. Fuck oppression.

Easy to say these things when it's not your life on the line.
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