Very clearly, attacking the flag is seen as attacking the country... Especially when some other protesters also wave foreign flags. As mentioned, the party actually has a flag, if they wanted to make things beyond doubt.
The fact you actually have to mention there is a flag means most people don't know about it. As a someone that has lived in Hong Kong for the last 10 years, even I didn't know this flag exist. Searching online, I cannot say the flag is immediately recognizable. Maybe the protestors should use the CCP flag instead, but I would give them the benefit of the doubt.
Proof that government agents are fomenting and inciting the violence "isn't serious"?
Trying to discard and ignore all the violent actions, and actions that look very anti-China by claiming that they are "fomented" by the government is not serious. One day we read an interview with a guy who took part in the storming of the LegCo and everybody here is in awe before its determination. The next, someone criticise violent actions and you guys claim that they are by government' agents provocateurs... And…
> Trying to discard and ignore all the violent actions,
Aren't you intentionally turning a blind eye to the fact that the Chinese government has been conducting false flag operations where they plant heir operatives within crouds disguised as protesters to then vandalize and attack not only bystanders but also the police to justify drawing a violent reaction and smear the reputation of the pro-democracy protesters?
It seems odd that you are so against violence but somehow fail to mention the fact that the Chinese government is using violence to discredit pro-democracy protests.
People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. Even Cantonese speaking local HKers, who tried to remove roadblocks (so their vehicles could pass) set up by the protesters, were regularly attacked.
> People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. I don't disagree there is some racism going on in some areas in Hong Kong. But it is definitely not the normal. You will definite not see that behavior in the financial district. But its no different that some Beijingers thinking southern people are barbarians is it? You simply ignore and move on. > Even Canton…
local HK people need to go to work and go to school as well, roadblocks affected general publics, taxi drivers especially because they have to finance their car.
People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. Even Cantonese speaking local HKers, who tried to remove roadblocks (so their vehicles could pass) set up by the protesters, were regularly attacked.
> People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. I don't disagree there is some racism going on in some areas in Hong Kong. But it is definitely not the normal. You will definite not see that behavior in the financial district. But its no different that some Beijingers thinking southern people are barbarians is it? You simply ignore and move on. > Even Canton…
China is a huge market for the NBA, and it could disappear in a tweet. https://www.si.com/nba/2019/10/07/daryl-morey-rockets-china-... Now that China is the second largest economy, it has a lot of global influence.
> it has a lot of global influence
It only has influence if we give it influence, through crushing dissent like this. The NBA is complicit in the destruction of democracy and the ethnic cleansing of a religious minority; don't forget that.
We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…
> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. > They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. Where's the evidence they are behind that? How are they forcing the HK government's hand? > The…
> "They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm."
Money is just a form of social credit. When governments, monopolies and all other forms of violent coercion are out of the equation, money is just something people voluntarily give to each other in exchange for goods or services. What I mean is, your comment reads like you are writing an indictment about our "system," with its problems being money, markets; but then you go on to support this with problems of slave la…
> I see this pattern in comments every day on social media all the time I think you're reading rather a lot into my post that I didn't write. But one lesson of China is that you can have "money, voluntary exchange, markets" and authoritarianism at the same time. Especially in the context of international trade, where A voluntarily exchanging money for products made by B with the slave labour of C happens a lot. What…
Maybe I did read more into your comment than you were intending. However, one part of your comment indicted 'the system we have,' and at the very least, one of the things I was trying to say is we have multiple, competing systems, as you also now are suggesting in this comment.
People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. Even Cantonese speaking local HKers, who tried to remove roadblocks (so their vehicles could pass) set up by the protesters, were regularly attacked.
> People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically. I don't disagree there is some racism going on in some areas in Hong Kong. But it is definitely not the normal. You will definite not see that behavior in the financial district. But its no different that some Beijingers thinking southern people are barbarians is it? You simply ignore and move on. > Even Canton…
So harassing, heckling, and physically attaching people is "no different" from thinking some people are barbarians?
And people who needed to use the road to get somewhere are automatically "pro-china"? And they deserved to be attacked?
> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. > They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. Where's the evidence they are behind that? How are they forcing the HK government's hand? > The…
> "They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm." Well surely one is enough to be angry about
Yes.
Let's be angry about it, let's protest peacefully, let's demand answers, let's demand their return.
But let's not use the kidnappings as an excuse for violence and destruction.
Very clearly, attacking the flag is seen as attacking the country... Especially when some other protesters also wave foreign flags. As mentioned, the party actually has a flag, if they wanted to make things beyond doubt.
The fact you actually have to mention there is a flag means most people don't know about it. As a someone that has lived in Hong Kong for the last 10 years, even I didn't know this flag exist. Searching online, I cannot say the flag is immediately recognizable. Maybe the protestors should use the CCP flag instead, but I would give them the benefit of the doubt.
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