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Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by hos234 »

simonh wrote: post #20
alkonaut wrote: post #3

Wait, a person expressed views in favour of democracy and felt he had to backtrack because of pressure from a dictatorship? Here's how this works: we express views that anger dictatorships, and if there is even a minute chance that your business tanks because of it - then you were in the wrong market or had the wrong owners. The right thing to do here for the NBA would be to stand behind this tweet. Corporations need…

The problem isn't with angering dictatorships, it's about angering a lot of ordinary Chinese mainlanders who have been convinced that the HK protesters are traitors. This is a serious problem, because it's simply not possible to persuade them otherwise, because the channels to do so are censored by the Chinese government. It's a crazily scary issue. My family is half Chinese and my niece came over from China this sum…

So where did these conversations go? Just curious if she is heading back more aware or more confused.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by topologistics »

missosoup wrote: post #32
mytailorisrich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

You mean as long as PLA keeps planting undercover operatives amongst the protesters as agent provocateurs to incite the violence that's then used as an excuse for a 'harder' stance? Please, ask me for sources. I have probably over a hundred unspinnable photos and videos collected from r/HongKong by now. New ones keep coming every day. Here's an appetiser: https://i.redd.it/0o2411874tj31.jpg

Consider me appetized, could you please explain the significance of the holstered weapon and provide more pictures? I'm guessing only cops can have guns in China or something like that. Thanks ^_^

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by mytailorisrich »

fieryscribe wrote: post #39
mytailorisrich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…

> We are anti-CCP

Why do you attack the flag of the country (and even the flag of HK) rather than the flag of the party (there is one), then?

> Not a single one of them is about independence nor are any anti-China.

Then you should stop actions that look anti-China even when they are reported on media like the BBC...

Edit: No answers to these questions, just downvotes... Some might say this speaks louder than words.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by UIZealot »

fieryscribe wrote: post #39
mytailorisrich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…

> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK.

They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm.

> They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand.

Where's the evidence they are behind that? How are they forcing the HK government's hand?

> They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it.

You have the freedom to peaceful demonstrations an protests, not violence or destruction. And the CCP most certainly did not call you cockroaches, some angry mainlanders maybe, but not the CCP.

(EDIT: downvoters, please use the truth to argue your side, instead of downvoting me to try to suppress it.)

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by bnanapubc12323 »

UIZealot wrote: post #44
fieryscribe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…

> They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They kidnapped one person, as far as I know. I agree they crossed the line there, and there's no excuse for that. But that's an exception, not the norm. > They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. Where's the evidence they are behind that? How are they forcing the HK government's hand? > The…

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Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by rumanator »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #43
fieryscribe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…

> We are anti-CCP Why do you attack the flag of the country (and even the flag of HK) rather than the flag of the party (there is one), then? > Not a single one of them is about independence nor are any anti-China. Then you should stop actions that look anti-China even when they are reported on media like the BBC... Edit: No answers to these questions, just downvotes... Some might say this speaks louder than words.

Hasn't the Chinese government been caught running quite a few false flag operations within he scope of the HK protests?

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#48

Post by UIZealot »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #43
fieryscribe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it. The protests…

> We are anti-CCP Why do you attack the flag of the country (and even the flag of HK) rather than the flag of the party (there is one), then? > Not a single one of them is about independence nor are any anti-China. Then you should stop actions that look anti-China even when they are reported on media like the BBC... Edit: No answers to these questions, just downvotes... Some might say this speaks louder than words.

People who speak Mandarin are regularly harassed, told to "go back to Mainland", and attacked physically.

Even Cantonese speaking local HKers, who tried to remove roadblocks (so their vehicles could pass) set up by the protesters, were regularly attacked.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by the_resistence »

paxys wrote: post #4

Could you imagine the NBA making players apologize for posting Tweets criticizing Trump? Remember when LeBron and others wore "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts and Adam Silver supported them? Teams & players should be taking a strong stand here to support one of their own, but this really shows that there is a $$$ value for everything, including freedom of speech and expression. Economic threats from a foreign government sh…

And that's why I will never watch another game and seek to keep any spending out of those traitors' hands.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

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Post by alkonaut »

simonh wrote: post #20
alkonaut wrote: post #3

Wait, a person expressed views in favour of democracy and felt he had to backtrack because of pressure from a dictatorship? Here's how this works: we express views that anger dictatorships, and if there is even a minute chance that your business tanks because of it - then you were in the wrong market or had the wrong owners. The right thing to do here for the NBA would be to stand behind this tweet. Corporations need…

The problem isn't with angering dictatorships, it's about angering a lot of ordinary Chinese mainlanders who have been convinced that the HK protesters are traitors. This is a serious problem, because it's simply not possible to persuade them otherwise, because the channels to do so are censored by the Chinese government. It's a crazily scary issue. My family is half Chinese and my niece came over from China this sum…

The NBA has to leave the money on the table in china, OR they need to be the source of information that the chinese are missing (Such as in this case). The third option is to effectively apply the censorshop of the issues from the Chinese government, to people in the US.
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