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Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#31

Post by mytailorisrich »

simonh wrote: post #30
mytailorisrich wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a question of censorship. This is caused by the protesters themselves (at least some of them). I'm in the UK and the Chinese people I know only need to watch the reporting on the BBC to be convinced that a lot of protesters are anti-China and potentially propped up by foreign forces: Violence, attacks on government buildings, attacks on the Chinese flag, flying foreign flags, calling on the Brits and America…

>The actions of these protesters have ensured that the Chinese government cannot do anything but standing firm. Standing firm on what though? Since hardly any Chinese people even know about the extradition law, what does standing firm on that achieve? It has zero relevance to the issue from a mainlander perspective, so conceding on it would have zero negative publicity impact. In fact none of the actual issues are vi…

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn.

The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue.

The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the government does not even need to try to fault the protesters...

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#32

Post by missosoup »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #31
simonh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The actions of these protesters have ensured that the Chinese government cannot do anything but standing firm. Standing firm on what though? Since hardly any Chinese people even know about the extradition law, what does standing firm on that achieve? It has zero relevance to the issue from a mainlander perspective, so conceding on it would have zero negative publicity impact. In fact none of the actual issues are vi…

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

You mean as long as PLA keeps planting undercover operatives amongst the protesters as agent provocateurs to incite the violence that's then used as an excuse for a 'harder' stance?

Please, ask me for sources. I have probably over a hundred unspinnable photos and videos collected from r/HongKong by now. New ones keep coming every day.

Here's an appetiser:

https://i.redd.it/0o2411874tj31.jpg

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#33

Post by mytailorisrich »

missosoup wrote: post #32
mytailorisrich wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

You mean as long as PLA keeps planting undercover operatives amongst the protesters as agent provocateurs to incite the violence that's then used as an excuse for a 'harder' stance? Please, ask me for sources. I have probably over a hundred unspinnable photos and videos collected from r/HongKong by now. New ones keep coming every day. Here's an appetiser: https://i.redd.it/0o2411874tj31.jpg

Right, all those hundreds, if not more of people are all undercover operatives and without them the protests would have stopped long ago. It was them who stormed the LegCo... This is not serious.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#34

Post by simonh »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #29
simonh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't with angering dictatorships, it's about angering a lot of ordinary Chinese mainlanders who have been convinced that the HK protesters are traitors. This is a serious problem, because it's simply not possible to persuade them otherwise, because the channels to do so are censored by the Chinese government. It's a crazily scary issue. My family is half Chinese and my niece came over from China this sum…

> It's tough, but I think the best approach, if you do want to express support for HK, is instead to focus on the Censorship of the issues by the Chinese government. So basically we can't talk about things to Westerners like we would, because Chinese citizens might overhear on the web and freak out? And not complying is us interfering? What if suggesting so would get you ostracized in democracies? If you had to pick…

I haven't down voted you, and here's my reply.

I'm just showing how this is perceived from a mainlander perspective, and why people that could be allies have been manipulated into a confrontational stance. I think the best way to fight this is to point out the way they have been manipulated. It's a matter of tactics. I'm making a suggestion, that's all.

> And not complying is us interfering?

That is how it is perceived by mainlanders, due to the way they have been manipulated.

This is a trap set by the CCP. When your enemy lays a trap, saying "I'm completely entitled to go where that trap is, nobody's going to impinge on my rights of free passage" and then walking straight into the trap doesn't help anybody.

I am not advocating stepping on the toes of the protesters, or mainland Chinese. I'm saying attack the real target - the Chinese Communist Party. They are the real opponent here. Call them out. Point out their role. Show how they are manipulating the narrative. That's my advice.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#35

Post by king_panic »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #25
simonh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't with angering dictatorships, it's about angering a lot of ordinary Chinese mainlanders who have been convinced that the HK protesters are traitors. This is a serious problem, because it's simply not possible to persuade them otherwise, because the channels to do so are censored by the Chinese government. It's a crazily scary issue. My family is half Chinese and my niece came over from China this sum…

It's not a question of censorship. This is caused by the protesters themselves (at least some of them). I'm in the UK and the Chinese people I know only need to watch the reporting on the BBC to be convinced that a lot of protesters are anti-China and potentially propped up by foreign forces: Violence, attacks on government buildings, attacks on the Chinese flag, flying foreign flags, calling on the Brits and America…

Yes, it's a question of censorship. The people of Hong Kong are fighting for their liberties and this meandering response is a misdirection to that fact.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#36

Post by simonh »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #33
missosoup wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean as long as PLA keeps planting undercover operatives amongst the protesters as agent provocateurs to incite the violence that's then used as an excuse for a 'harder' stance? Please, ask me for sources. I have probably over a hundred unspinnable photos and videos collected from r/HongKong by now. New ones keep coming every day. Here's an appetiser: https://i.redd.it/0o2411874tj31.jpg

Right, all those hundreds, if not more of people are all undercover operatives and without them the protests would have stopped long ago. It was them who stormed the LegCo... This is not serious.

Proof that government agents are fomenting and inciting the violence "isn't serious"?

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#38

Post by m0skit0 »

paxys wrote: post #4

Could you imagine the NBA making players apologize for posting Tweets criticizing Trump? Remember when LeBron and others wore "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts and Adam Silver supported them? Teams & players should be taking a strong stand here to support one of their own, but this really shows that there is a $$$ value for everything, including freedom of speech and expression. Economic threats from a foreign government sh…

NBA players do not depend directly on Chinese money. A Rocket manager does.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#39

Post by fieryscribe »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #31
simonh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The actions of these protesters have ensured that the Chinese government cannot do anything but standing firm. Standing firm on what though? Since hardly any Chinese people even know about the extradition law, what does standing firm on that achieve? It has zero relevance to the issue from a mainlander perspective, so conceding on it would have zero negative publicity impact. In fact none of the actual issues are vi…

The protests are no longer about the extradition law. It has been fully withdrawn. The current violent (and often visibly anti-China) actions ensure that the mainland's public opinion fully supports the government in taking a tough and inflexible stance against the protesters as long as violence and disturbances continue. The protesters should take a page from Gandhi's book: You couldn't fault him. In HK the governme…

We are anti-CCP because it is the CCP who has negotiated in bad faith, by agreeing to, and then not, allowing us to vote for our leaders. They have claimed there are 2 systems, yet they kidnap people in HK. They have said they were not behind the Extradition Law, and yet they force our government's hand. They have said HKers have freedom, and yet they call us terrorists and cockroaches for exercising it.

The protests started because of the Extradition Law, but had to morph because of the government's response: 五大訴求 缺一不可 (5 demands, not 1 less). Not a single one of them is about independence nor are any anti-China. You know that as well as I do. Mainlanders should actually read what we want instead of believing their government.

Re: Houston Rockets general manager apologises for Hong Kong protest tweet

#40

Post by mytailorisrich »

simonh wrote: post #36
mytailorisrich wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, all those hundreds, if not more of people are all undercover operatives and without them the protests would have stopped long ago. It was them who stormed the LegCo... This is not serious.

Proof that government agents are fomenting and inciting the violence "isn't serious"?

Trying to discard and ignore all the violent actions, and actions that look very anti-China by claiming that they are "fomented" by the government is not serious.

One day we read an interview with a guy who took part in the storming of the LegCo and everybody here is in awe before its determination. The next, someone criticise violent actions and you guys claim that they are by government' agents provocateurs...

And every day I can watch BBC reporters following violent protests from within.

There is nothing wrong with admitting that some forms of protest are hurting the cause of democracy.

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