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Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by Tade0 »

hnarn wrote: post #51
ralusek wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't running an internal combustion engine in a car still substantially less efficient than the power plant necessary to charge it, regardless of the fuel?

That may well be so, but my conviction is that we need to substantially reduce carbon emissions across the board, and if that's true I don't think replacing gasoline cars with coal powered electricity plants makes a lot of sense, unless maybe the CO2 is captured and stored, but at that point you might as well go nuclear (which I am a proponent of, as the only realistic alternative at this point).

Germany's grid is not powered solely by coal but a decent mix of sources with various carbon intensities.

A typical EV in Germany has a carbon footprint of a vehicle burning anywhere in the range of 2-5l/100km(including manufacturing).

EVs in Germany are consistently less carbon intensive than ICE cars - especially in the city.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by madaxe_again »

ratsbane wrote: post #107
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal combustion engines pollute the air where I'm living . Moving pollution away from residential areas is a worthwhile task in itself. That makes a lot of sense to me. I live in a densely populated country. Even a relatively minor accident at a nuclear facility would trigger a huge evacuation (I've seen the disaster control plans), causing major economic harm. Also my country does not have any viable means to st…

fjfaase, your statement "An electrical car produces almost as much fine dust particles as an internal combustion engine" is very surprising and not at all what I would expect. Can you cite any sources for that or explain it a bit more? Aside from particulate matter in exhaust, regenerative braking doesn't produce dust like friction braking does, thus I'd expect electric cars to produce much less dust than ICE vehicle…

Rubber tyres on asphalt produce a fair bit of very fine particulate matter, and are currently ubiquitous in vehicles - I imagine this is what fjfaase was referring to.

That said, the contribution is tiny - on the order of 2.5% of total roadside PM10.

https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/atmosphere/atmosphere-10-0...

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by masklinn »

beachy wrote: post #86
onetimemanytime wrote: post #79

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>>Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage...Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it." This can be solved with a law in a heartbeat. Installations etc take their time but the state itself subsidizes them--if they want to drive adoption rate up. So like they have parking meters they can put charging stati…

There are many rules and regulations that need to be cut through. Staying with friends in Hawaii, I asked where we could drop our towels. They said they had to go into the drier, it was against the rules to have clothes drying on the balcony. So to satisfy some idiotic idea of aesthetics, we're going to burn electricity instead of just using the sun?

That sounds like rules (condo / HOA) rather than regs.

> So to satisfy some idiotic idea of aesthetics, we're going to burn electricity instead of just using the sun?

Yep, common condo / HOA issue.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by masklinn »

tomp wrote: post #53
TicklishTiger wrote: post #7

The one thing I really can not get over with Tesla is the dashboard. That giant screen that looks so misplaced. Cars always used to be the pinnacle of thought out design. And Tesla is supposed to be catering the more stylish crowd I think. I wonder how they decided to place a standard screen to the right of the driver. It will be interesting to see if other car manufacturers will adopt this design decision. Then it w…

Buttons belong on the wheel or the driver's door (things like "unlock doors" and "all 4 blinkers").

> Buttons belong on the wheel or the driver's door (things like "unlock doors" and "all 4 blinkers").

Both of those controls belong to the central console as it's useful for the passenger to manipulate them.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by [deleted] »

fjfaase wrote: post #106
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal combustion engines pollute the air where I'm living . Moving pollution away from residential areas is a worthwhile task in itself. That makes a lot of sense to me. I live in a densely populated country. Even a relatively minor accident at a nuclear facility would trigger a huge evacuation (I've seen the disaster control plans), causing major economic harm. Also my country does not have any viable means to st…

An electrical car produces almost as much fine dust particles as an internal combustion engine. Thus in that respect they are as poluting. The CO2 and NOx combustion engines produces are not that dangerous to our health. Soot, mainly produced by heavy diesel engines, is also a dangerous form of polution, but most trucks should have filters for those by now.

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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by seldonnn »

hnarn wrote: post #22
tcmb wrote: post #18

I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

They will then import the coal power from Poland :)

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by masklinn »

Theodores wrote: post #34
TicklishTiger wrote: post #7

The one thing I really can not get over with Tesla is the dashboard. That giant screen that looks so misplaced. Cars always used to be the pinnacle of thought out design. And Tesla is supposed to be catering the more stylish crowd I think. I wonder how they decided to place a standard screen to the right of the driver. It will be interesting to see if other car manufacturers will adopt this design decision. Then it w…

That giant screen idea is the future. Sure people with ICE vehicles need tactile controls rather than touchscreens but the Tesla Model 3 is different. The giant screen could be taken further, e.g. a generic USB3 tablet that just runs the Tesla app. You could then take the screen out of the car with you or, if you lose it, just get any old tablet and shove it in there.

> Sure people with ICE vehicles need tactile controls rather than touchscreens but the Tesla Model 3 is different.

The tactile controls have nothing to do with ICE (none of them even deals with ICE itself) and everything to do with human behaviour and basic safety, namely the need for fixed positioning, direct interaction, and feedback to enable manipulation of those controls while attention remains on the road.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by [deleted] »

fjfaase wrote: post #106
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal combustion engines pollute the air where I'm living . Moving pollution away from residential areas is a worthwhile task in itself. That makes a lot of sense to me. I live in a densely populated country. Even a relatively minor accident at a nuclear facility would trigger a huge evacuation (I've seen the disaster control plans), causing major economic harm. Also my country does not have any viable means to st…

An electrical car produces almost as much fine dust particles as an internal combustion engine. Thus in that respect they are as poluting. The CO2 and NOx combustion engines produces are not that dangerous to our health. Soot, mainly produced by heavy diesel engines, is also a dangerous form of polution, but most trucks should have filters for those by now.

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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by goodcanadian »

martijn9612 wrote: post #89
henkslaaf wrote: post #60

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I am at this crossroards. Either I spend the money now, before December, and drive cheaply or I wait another five years.

You're probably too late, the ordering date to get a model 3 for this year has (almost) passed. They're saying that the order has to be confirmed before today 22:00 (oct 6), otherwise Tesla cannot guarantee the 2019 delivery date. https://www.mistergreen.nl/tesla-model-3-lease

I'm ignorant of Dutch law, so I may be off base, but I find taxes usually apply as of the date of the contract, not the date of the delivery. So, if you have a firm order, you are probably fine.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by goodcanadian »

_ph_ wrote: post #81
mmsimanga wrote: post #23

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As an African I really want an electric car that just has a speedometer, airbags, range meter and nothing else. I can do without air condition, outside temperature sensor ... We already struggling to fix the modern petrol and diesel cars full of electronics.

Fixing older cars with electronic problems is a nightmare everywhere. It is pretty much depending on getting the original spares which manufacturers might just stop providing at some time (and sometimes they get caught by some chip no longer being available). On the other side, considering how many videos I see on youTube about people using batteries and electric motors from salvaged Teslas to build their own electri…

So even a homegrown controller should be quite feasible . . .

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Source code: https://github.com/collin80/GEVCU

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