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Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by juskrey »

hnarn wrote: post #22
tcmb wrote: post #18

I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

Electric plant's pollution is localized, gas cars pollution is spread all over the living space.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by WilliamEdward »

tcmb wrote: post #18

I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

This is a nice anecdotal example, i have one too!

I went to a pit stop in the middle of nowhere in a third world country, on my way to another province. In between miles and miles of dry land, there it was, an entire electric car charging station. There's more of these things than you think.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by timwaagh »

at my (dutch) company, a relatively large number of employees is able to get this car under the company lease program. which means they don't cost a thing, except for the increase in income tax which is much lower for electric cars. even people who do not care about environmental things at all get it because it's fast, its sleek and its easy to operate.

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Post by _ph_ »

omnimus wrote: post #67
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany is a very densely populated country (go take a look at map). Even a relatively minor accident at a nuclear facility would trigger a huge evacuation (I've seen the disaster control plans), causing major economic harm. Germany also does not have any viable means to store nuclear waste responsibly. Currently, nuclear does not look like the sane option for Germany.

They suddenly in few years closed all nuclear which imcreased all need for coal. Its dirty decision 2038 is not enough. If they closed all coal and wait with nuclear to 2038 that would make sense. Coal barons need to sell that stuff quicky before it looses value. I am sure they will somehow artificilially increase cost of coal energy in upcoming years.

Nuclear never was a very large part of the German grid and currently the nuclear capacity is like 10% of the daily peak load. So while shutting down the nuclear power plants does make a carbon-free grid a bit more difficult, it won't make a huge difference. Most nuclear power plants would have been scheduled for decommission in the late 20ies or early 30is at maximum anyway.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by vinay427 »

craigsmansion wrote: post #58
vinay427 wrote: post #24

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The car notifies you if an update is available, when you can postpone it, and IIRC you also receive a notification on your phone before it starts at which point you can also postpone it. Also, it tells you the estimated duration of the update in minutes and specifically notes that you will likely not be able to use the car during this time. Also, braking and steering should be dependent on software. This is the case…

> braking and steering should be dependent on software. That's an opinion and that's fine, but I was wondering if it was the case, i.e., they are dependent on software. > This is the case in most modern cars By `this' you mean "basic steering and braking functionality depending on upgradable software", right?

> That's an opinion and that's fine, but I was wondering if it was the case, i.e., they are dependent on software.

Yeah, sorry, this is definitely an opinion and I don't think I actually agree with that in general. I meant that in the case of a Tesla or many modern cars with autonomous emergency braking or lane-drift avoidance or similar, braking and/or steering is generally software-controlled, often without a mechanical default, so given features like Autopilot it "should" be software-dependent.

> By `this' you mean "basic steering and braking functionality depending on upgradable software", right?

Yes, but just to reiterate, most manufacturers don't use OTAs and some models never receive an update, but it's not uncommon for an update to change steering and/or braking response and feel.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by jillesvangurp »

hnarn wrote: post #22
tcmb wrote: post #18

I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

Anecdotally, around 40% of the electricity in Germany was generated from coal in 2018, but in january 2019, a group of federal and state leaders as well as industry representatives, environmentalists, and scientists made an agreement to close all 84 coal plants in the country by 2038.[1] Just as in many other parts of the world, expanding electrical consumption through electric vehicles does not make sense if we also…

Germany is not building new coal plants so they are not going to burn more coal because of EVs. EVs indeed create more demand for electricity, which is met by deploying more clean energy.

Coal plants stopped being a good option economically decades ago and we are now getting to the point where keeping the existing plants going is also no longer economical. Gas plants are following pretty soon as well.

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by agumonkey »

timwaagh wrote: post #74

at my (dutch) company, a relatively large number of employees is able to get this car under the company lease program. which means they don't cost a thing, except for the increase in income tax which is much lower for electric cars. even people who do not care about environmental things at all get it because it's fast, its sleek and its easy to operate.

tables are turning

Re: Tesla Model 3 represented over 15% of September new car sales in The Netherlands

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Post by onetimemanytime »

tcmb wrote: post #18

I live in an apartment complex in Berlin. We have a parking garage that belongs to the complex. Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage, even if I paid for it myself. The housing company is owned by the municipality. Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it.

>>Unfortunately the housing company does not allow installation of a wallbox in the garage...Large-scale adoption of electric cars is unrealistic when the majority of people have nowhere to charge it."

This can be solved with a law in a heartbeat. Installations etc take their time but the state itself subsidizes them--if they want to drive adoption rate up. So like they have parking meters they can put charging stations everywhere in the streets.

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Post by clouddrover »

mmsimanga wrote: post #64
crucio wrote: post #49

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You may be interested in following Sono motors. https://sonomotors.com/en/sion/ They are making a much simpler electric car with the ethos that anyone can fix it, with readily available parts and manuals/blueprints for every part of the car. I am excited by it having solar panels as my average daily drive is probably in the region of 10 miles.

This looks like a perfect car for Africa. We have plenty of sun for solar charging component of the car. We really do not have the money to build out our power grid and if we can use solar panels for charging stations it make rolling out charging stations easier. The price though is still out of reach for most of us.

Renault's doing a low cost EV. You don't get much range but it's good for the money. They'll sell them in China first:

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29729/the-worlds-most-importan...

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