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Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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Re: Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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Post by alkonaut »

kazagistar wrote: post #369
ddoolin wrote: post #10

> While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content through its own systems, it also notes that "mere numbers cannot capture the significance of the harm to children." Ah yes, "think of the children!" This is so tired, I'm (just a bit) surprised they fell into this argument.

I will believe that anyone in politics gives a shit about children when the US stops bombing children in other countries.

Also:

Kids being shot in schools: the price of freedom.

Private communications means also criminals can communicate privately: outrage.

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Post by concordDance »

SamBam wrote: post #147
leshow wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Note, this article is recent and highly relevant.. Talk about fear mongering, that article is horrible. It's the same old argument. "Child abuse is bad therefore you can't have any privacy", they position you as being against protecting children when your stance is actually pro security & privacy.

I think that reasonable people can hold both f̶a̶c̶t̶s̶ things in their heads at the same time 1. Privacy is important and good 2. It has almost certainly contributed to an explosion in the production and sharing of child pornography and abuse The question is what is the moral way to reconcile the two, not to deny that either exists.

Very unconvinced it's lead to an explosion is child abuse.

Child abuse has always been happening (several of the older members of my family were abused), it just wasn't broadcasted. Even today I bet 99% of child abuse is never caught on camera. The increase from child porn is probably negligible.

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Post by concordDance »

aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #359
greyfade wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's enough conflicting information about the suicide that that particular conspiracy theory is going to have legs for a long time to come.

Better to just call it a substantiated theory at this point.

It's not substantiated, it's speculation.

There's still a possibility it was an actual, non-coerced suicide.

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Post by concordDance »

joe_the_user wrote: post #247
danShumway wrote: post #182

> mere numbers cannot capture the significance of the harm to children. Oh, bull crap. By this argument, literally no protection or liberty that allows even one child to be harmed could ever be tolerated. Why stop at vetting baby-sitters or teachers? We ought to require mandatory background checks for every person who ever visits a family or goes into a public space that might contain children. Law enforcement also o…

By this argument, literally no protection or liberty that allows even one child to be harmed could ever be tolerated. Well, I think the aim is to create (or in this case, maintain) a emotional button that when pressed, create such an extreme picture in the person's mind that they instantly respond with "your freedom? versus this? , yeah screw your freedom, we gotta stop this." The extreme the pictures shown on media,…

Something must be done, this is something, so it must be done. (Ignore the fact it won't really help)

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Post by krzepah »

saagarjha wrote: post #5

> We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety. Oh, so you’re asking for more end-to-end encryption? > While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content t…

Criminal activities are exacerbated by the internet it would be a lie to say no. But just like with cars, scooters, or any tech that's sufficiently democratized.

They need a permit for a car? Why not just steal it?

I need an identity to do shady stuff on the internet?

Why not steal it?

We cannot reason with malevolent forces, there is always going to be away,

And by that time, we compiled the data of everyone, centralized it all, and let govs that don't understand the implication collect those as if it was mere petrol or gold.

We are putting everyone's life at risk doing so, just wait until it leaks out or it starts getting sold. (ahem, oh wait !)

It is a problem, and tbh it saddens me a f* tons.

Re: Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption

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Post by phoenixy1 »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #148
SamBam wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rephrase as "They are responsible for capturing 99% of the illegal content that is caught." i.e., of the illegal stuff that goes through their system, some of it is captured, and the majority of that is caught by Facebook's own system. Note, this article is recent and highly relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-... > And when tech companies cooperate fully, encryption and anonymizatio…

If this article is for real, then it's certainly not being pushed mainstream. > The Times’s reporting revealed a problem global in scope — most of the images found last year were traced to other countries — but one firmly rooted in the United States because of the central role Silicon Valley has played in facilitating the imagery’s spread and in reporting it to the authorities. Clearly the NYT is laying the problem a…

I didn't read the article as blaming tech. The main takeaway for me was the astonishing under-resourcing of investigation and prosecution of these crimes. If the government can't be bothered to investigate 98% of the child sex abuse cases it already knows about (per Flint Waters's testimony -- which dates from a time when the problem was far less severe than it is now), why does it need to prevent encryption to possibly learn about a handful more cases?

Not to mention:

Congress has regularly allocated about half of the $60 million in yearly funding for state and local law enforcement efforts. Separately, the Department of Homeland Security this year diverted nearly $6 million from its cybercrimes units to immigration enforcement — depleting 40 percent of the units’ discretionary budget until the final month of the fiscal year.

Or in other words, in order to fight the imaginary rapists that Mexico is allegedly sending us, DHS is diverting money originally allocated to investigate actual child rapists.

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

concordDance wrote: post #453
aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to just call it a substantiated theory at this point.

It's not substantiated, it's speculation. There's still a possibility it was an actual, non-coerced suicide.

For sane people, this is the only possibility.

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Post by RealStickman »

thothamon wrote: post #324
thelittleone wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're both rich information gathering sources with potential for abuse.

But the specific question is, do you keep a phone in your home? If so, how is that better than having Alexa in your home?

Use a custom rom without google apps. It's easy enough.

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Post by targonca »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #256
ccrush wrote: post #224

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In light of all the Epstein stuff, it sure sounds like "were raping children, so don't implement end to end encryption, or someone might rape your children." I'd say it's ballsy, but with how publicly they executed Epstein right under our noses, it seems like they just don't face punishment for breaking the rules and want to rub it in our faces. It's not like any of us would get away with that. Fucking pathetic. The…

Epstein committed suicide. Did you miss the news coverage? And I’m not sure what the AG has to do with Epstein’s crimes. Did you get some people mixed up?

Yes, Epstein committed suicide, and Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Every sane person knows that.
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