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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #112

zwayhowder wrote: post #41

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Go to Japan. A number of Panasonic, Fujitsu & Sony laptops are made there that are only ever sold in the domestic market because of the high costs. Though for the build quality they are still not too bad in terms of value. Of course their displays and RAM are probably made in Korea or China as are the SSDs and I've never pulled one apart to check the motherboard and battery providence... However they are definitely a…

Japan's economy fascinates me. The vast majority of the cars you see on the roads, computers in offices, TVs in hotel rooms, cameras in people's hands etc are Japanese. Amazing self-sufficiency in a world where globalisation is becoming the norm. Japanese-made products are also pretty universally considered to be very well designed and built, too.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by netsharc » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

krageon wrote: post #123

shp0ngle wrote: post #121

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One problem in Vietnam is that it really does NOT have the infrastructure that China has. (Just look at the state of public transport in China vs Vietnam.) It's better than Laos/Cambodia, but the streets are now flooded with cars far more than even 1 year ago, and the traffic is becoming a huge issue. And right now, with all the new factories, Vietnam is suddenly almost as polluted as China. (Just recently we have re…

I am not sure why it is up to "rich countries" to fix Vietnam's pollution problem. Do not allow the building of factories that pollute a lot and it will get better. This is something Vietnam can do on it's own. Absolutely zero foreign interference required.

That's a bit simplistic... "Mr. Tim Apple, we have 2 options to build the next iPhone factory, Vietnam and Laos. They're almost identical, except Vietnam will cost 5% more because of their anti-pollution laws.". What would you do in Tim Apple's position?

Nike stopped using child labour because of (Western) public outcry, without it they'd go for the factory offering the cheapest price. Next you'll say, then it's up to the Vietnamese to have a public outcry about pollution. But corrupt governments seem to have a way to get away with anything, just look at the Dakota pipeline, or arctic drilling...

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by tooltalk » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #112

zwayhowder wrote: post #41

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Go to Japan. A number of Panasonic, Fujitsu & Sony laptops are made there that are only ever sold in the domestic market because of the high costs. Though for the build quality they are still not too bad in terms of value. Of course their displays and RAM are probably made in Korea or China as are the SSDs and I've never pulled one apart to check the motherboard and battery providence... However they are definitely a…

Japan's economy fascinates me. The vast majority of the cars you see on the roads, computers in offices, TVs in hotel rooms, cameras in people's hands etc are Japanese. Amazing self-sufficiency in a world where globalisation is becoming the norm. Japanese-made products are also pretty universally considered to be very well designed and built, too.

  It would have been fascinating to study Japan in the 80's, but now really sure they are still "self-sufficient." 

  Japan's auto industry is still strong, but their future largely depends on impending trade deal with Trump. Their tech/semiconductor industry has been in decline the past 30 years and what little remains today are being sold to Chinese/Taiwanese companies bit by bit. Japanese brands like SONY or Panasonic now accounts for less than 10% of the US market now, replaced by mostly Koreans like Samsung and LG in high-end, and by Chinese by TCL in low-end markets. The consumer camera business is still dominated by Japanese companies, but the business itself is in a crisis as the market, which peaked in 2013, continues to dive by 30% - 60% annually last several years.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by tooltalk » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:01 PM UTC

rjzzleep wrote: post #140

tooltalk wrote: post #66

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No. Samsung grew during Japan's trade row with the US in the 80's. The trade hostility between the two nations gave opportunity for Samsung to jump in the DRAM business, just in time for their 64K and 256K breakthroughs ahead of competition in 1984. By 90's, Samsung was already ahead of most Japanese competitors. Now, stop making stuff up to rationalize China's IP theft.

There's obviously a bit more to the story. Japan used Koreans as labor force in the occupied territories. For that to have been possible they must have built factories there. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-japan-laborers...

Whatever Imperial Japan built in Korea, they weren't certainly smartphone factories. The Imperial Japan didn't really build a lot of industrial base in Korea and what little they built were in the North and destroyed during the Korean civil war.

Also remember that most Korean forced laborers were forced to work in mines and factories on the ground level, not weren't brought in to develop their products or run their businesses.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by tooltalk » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #137

kalleboo wrote: post #129

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> Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's Apple was invited to visit Xerox in exchange for pre-IPO stock purchase rights. Xerox's management didn't know the value of what they had and willingly gave it away.

This. Apple didn’t steal anything from xerox, they bought it. Sure they got a good deal, but it was still a legal transaction.

Apple didn't buy anything from Xerox -- and there was no licensing between the two companies. Xerox filed a lawsuit in fact in the late 1980's to prevent Apple scaring potential customers with Apple's copyright claims (eg, Apple's lawsuit against MS which Apple eventually lost).

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by CDSlice » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:19 PM UTC

tooltalk wrote: post #173

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #112

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Japan's economy fascinates me. The vast majority of the cars you see on the roads, computers in offices, TVs in hotel rooms, cameras in people's hands etc are Japanese. Amazing self-sufficiency in a world where globalisation is becoming the norm. Japanese-made products are also pretty universally considered to be very well designed and built, too.

It would have been fascinating to study Japan in the 80's, but now really sure they are still "self-sufficient." Japan's auto industry is still strong, but their future largely depends on impending trade deal with Trump. Their tech/semiconductor industry has been in decline the past 30 years and what little remains today are being sold to Chinese/Taiwanese companies bit by bit. Japanese brands like SONY or Panasonic…

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It would have been fascinating to study Japan in the 80's, but now really sure they are still "self-sufficient."

Japan's auto industry is still strong, but their future largely depends on impending trade deal with Trump. Their tech/semiconductor industry has been in decline the past 30 years and what little remains today are being sold to Chinese/Taiwanese companies bit by bit. Japanese brands like SONY or Panasonic now accounts for less than 10% of the US market now, replaced by mostly Koreans like Samsung and LG in high-end, and by Chinese by TCL in low-end markets. The consumer camera business is still dominated by Japanese companies, but the business itself is in a crisis as the market, which peaked in 2013, continues to dive by 30% - 60% annually last several years.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by dang » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

pdm55 wrote: post #52

If you are interested, here are some background articles about Apple's assembly plant in Zhengzhou, China https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2188162/f... https://www.businessinsider.com.au/apple-iphone-factory-foxc... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/apple-iphone-c... Why my interest? I taught Maths (in English) in Zhengzhou for a couple of years and constantly wondered where my students…

This was originally a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21143687.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

tooltalk wrote: post #167

kalleboo wrote: post #129

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> Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's Apple was invited to visit Xerox in exchange for pre-IPO stock purchase rights. Xerox's management didn't know the value of what they had and willingly gave it away.

There was no such "exchange" -- Xerox's investment in Apple did not depend on Apple's visit to Xerox, which had been open to public demonstration throughout.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by lappet » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #152

lappet wrote: post #144

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Huh, I am Indian and have never heard it said like this. Do you have any sources to back this up, apart from the rockets and textile industries?

For the steel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

I think I stumbled upon that a while back. Thank you!

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by onecool » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 5:46 PM UTC

shardinator wrote: post #72

beerandt wrote: post #63

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I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal? Or did you just mean stolen resources?

I don’t have a reference, but high quality steel making would be one.

You don't have a reference, because high quality steel was invented in the U.S.