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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by instagraham » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:09 AM UTC

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

anonygler wrote: post #20

In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

This is an essential force for transfer of tech. Ideally, it should be India given that many MNCs from chip fabrication to military hardware have set up shop and base here.

However, India doesn't seem to have learned to use this model, as is evident from decades of buying foreign weapons without learning to make them ourselves.

China built its military industrial complex by copying Russia. The only thing India has copied so far is an anti-materiel rifle.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by pdm55 » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:10 AM UTC

If you are interested, here are some background articles about Apple's assembly plant in Zhengzhou, China https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2188162/f... https://www.businessinsider.com.au/apple-iphone-factory-foxc... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/technology/apple-iphone-c...

Why my interest? I taught Maths (in English) in Zhengzhou for a couple of years and constantly wondered where my students could find employment, so I recently searched online and found these articles about the iPhone assembly plant there. Some things I learnt: assembling iPhones is boringly repetitive, basically just install the same one screw all day, so workers only last about a year; the impetus came from Terry Gou, the Taiwanese billionaire founder of Foxconn; and, in the past, to be purchased by the Chinese, such "foreign goods" had to be shipped to Hong Kong, then turned around and imported back into China, whereas Foxconn negotiated virtual export/import at the touch of a button. The iPhone story, by putting my former Zhengzhou students in the "centre" of the US, China, Taiwan and Hong Kong tensions, made those tensions more "engaging" for me.

And yes, I am concerned about the plight of the Uighurs. I think the repression of that group is directly linked to the 2014 knife killings at Kunming railway station, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack. Immediately after that attack, metal detecters were set up at railway stations in Zhengzhou. And I noticed some Muslim businesses disappearing from the streets.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by rasz » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:11 AM UTC

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

anonygler wrote: post #20

In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

Who exactly outsourced to Japan?

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by dang » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:12 AM UTC

wil421 wrote: post #21

dang wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, we switched to Reuters from https://www.anandtech.com/show/14930/samsung-stops-productio... .

Dang, this is the second time today an Anandtech article has been causing ad issues. I commented earlier about it happening to me but on a different article.

Hopefully it will stop happening, but if not, we can penalize or ban the site.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by Synaesthesia » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:14 AM UTC

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

anonygler wrote: post #20

In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:15 AM UTC

xwolfi wrote: post #29

anonygler wrote: post #20

In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

News: chinese workers aren't brainless monkeys and can evolve.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by solotronics » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:16 AM UTC

rasz wrote: post #53

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

Who exactly outsourced to Japan?

The US.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:18 AM UTC

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

anonygler wrote: post #20

In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by mytailorisrich » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:21 AM UTC

Samsung has lost the Chinese market. It's all Apple, Huawei, and the other Chinese brands.

This what this piece of news highlights, really.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by mda » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 6:23 AM UTC

anonygler wrote: post #37

throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

It is whataboutism I agree, whenever something about China comes up the very first comment is usually a "what about... "