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Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by mywittyname »

chvid wrote: post #76

How does one know that a particular attack is "state-sponsored" or originates from a particular country? Exactly what does it mean to be "state-sponsored"? And who provides this analysis?

You look at the the target and analyze the methods used in the attack to make that determination. For example, a zero-day exploit involving expensive equipment screams state-sponsored. Criminal enterprises wouldn't waste their money and resources analyzing and attacking Juicero machines in an embassy.

Also, the same tools and techniques get recycled, so you can use clues from previous attacks to tie together a motive.

> Exactly what does it mean to be "state-sponsored"?

It means an attack was either performed by a foreign agency or by a group getting paid to act on their behalf.

> And who provides this analysis?

Government agencies and private companies provide these types of analysis services.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by potatofarmer45 »

I used to complain so bitterly that the computers I had for AI research work, despite being a flavor of Linux, had no access to any sort of networking, making the installation of basic packages a pain.

It turns out the safest way, barring spies who willingly steal, is provide no entry/exit points for data. For smaller organizations or small divisions that's feasible, but super hard to maintain at larger divisions.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by sgustard »

yumraj wrote: post #15
joaomacp wrote: post #7

Out of curiosity: why is China not mentioned in the article's title, when the first sentence states a "Chinese state-sponsored hacking operation"?

These days state-sponsored has become a euphemism for Chinese .

As a data point, China's "hacker army" has 50k-100k people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cyberwarfare

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by thebokehwokeh2 »

analyst74 wrote: post #110
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Even their university culture practically encourages cheating in classes to pass, so you have generations of students graduating with weak understanding of the fundamentals. There is some truth in that, but it's quite exaggerated and sounds like a conclusion someone without deeper understanding of China AND US would make. If someone only learned about US education system via news sources, the picture being drawn is…

I think the opposite is the case here. There seems to be a deep sense of pride from Chinese in particular who are able to "game the system" so to speak. There is indeed a majority of the populace who may just be normal folk working hard, but a non-negligible amount do indeed cheat their way through school at a rate that is not even comparable to anywhere in the west.

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Post by cobweb1 »

uhhhhhhh wrote: post #81
JamesSchriver wrote: post #6

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>The white men who have been degraded and disowned of their culture, identity, and lands as throngs of foreign legions of "immigrants" are teated better than they, the heirs of the men that created the civilized world we all benefit from while most immigrants and freeloading types revile and fully disrespect what they have yet never earned As a white man, you lost me completely there. Immigrants are absolutely not tr…

> Immigrants are absolutely not treated better than I am anywhere in North America, or in Europe where I've been to date but I'll concede in places where white people are a minority that might not always be true.

Again, isn't the consensus that the percentage of white students in elite colleges would go up from something like 66% to 75% if only raw ability were considered? In other words you're getting shafted for being white, in a mostly white country.

> Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that.

Aren't you gaslighting him? It's called kin selection and it doesn't stop at the parents, it expands outwards further and further with no magical border.

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Post by danbolt »

JamesSchriver wrote: post #6

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What do you think of the Franco-Ottoman Alliance[1], when France and the Ottoman Empire were allies? This occurred when England was trying to "raid and invade" other parts of Europe. [2] It's almost as if an us-them dichotomy simplifies our understanding and obscures the real entropy found in truth.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliance [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_War_of_1542%E2%80%9315...

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Post by avocado4 »

jkaptur wrote: post #73
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

Google coding interviews are meant to test if a candidate would be good at coding for Google, not for building innovative companies.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

KoftaBob wrote: post #39
jcoffland wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

What does race have to do with any of this? I'm discussing their government's economic and academic model. That's like saying criticism of America's healthcare system is racist against whites, because that's their majority ethnic group. If anything, it says a lot about you that you associated everything I said with their ethnicity rather than the government itself.

The term "racism" includes both race-based as well as ethnicity-based stereotyping. See, for example, Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

The idea of Chinese companies/universities/etc. being uncreative and over-reliant on imitation and industrial espionage is quite obviously a somewhat tired cliché. I'm certain it makes an appearance in almost every single front page comment threat on the Chinese economy of the last five years or so.

There might even be a kernel of truth. But, as others have pointed out, the same was said of Japan and Taiwan before. In such a situation, you should be wary of repeating such stereotypes if you don't have first-hand experience, which I doubt many of those regurgitating that trope have.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

craftinator wrote: post #91
jcoffland wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

Nationalist comments, not racist.

See, that's the problem: "nationalism" is more about considering one's nation superior, which "racism" is about considering some other race/ethnicity/nationality inferior.

As anyone willing to read the first paragraph on Wikipedia knows, "racism" includes ethnicity-based discrimination as well. But people will pretend not to know, meaning there really isn't a generally-accepted word for this concept. How convenient.

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Post by mch82 »

finolex1 wrote: post #102
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Virtually every industrialized economy since the Industrial revolution has developed in part by 'borrowing' or stealing existing technology. Not making a moral judgment here, but economically it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel. You might be right that predictions of China's rise is overblown, but we forget how crappy Korean technology was just a couple of decades ago, and there's no reason it can't happen again.…

See the book “Wonderland: How Play Made the Modern World” by Steven Johnson for interesting examples of agricultural theft (the history of vanilla was fascinating). Here’s a video lecture from Steve that may include some, but I only just found it while double checking the book title. http://longnow.org/seminars/02017/jan/04/wonderland-how-play...
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