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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbus manufactures in China. They have a large factory in Tianjin [1]. China is on course to have its own commercial airliner soon [2] [1] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--chin... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

Seems like China would have an incentive to get the other IP from Airbus's suppliers to make their own competitor.

Sure. Anyone who is in business has an incentive to get the other guy's secrets...

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Virtually every industrialized economy since the Industrial revolution has developed in part by 'borrowing' or stealing existing technology. Not making a moral judgment here, but economically it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel.

You might be right that predictions of China's rise is overblown, but we forget how crappy Korean technology was just a couple of decades ago, and there's no reason it can't happen again.

Regarding the Ma/Musk debate, that seems like a strawman argument. Ma studied English in college and his strengths are his business and political accumen, not technical ability. There's plenty of people in China with a better understanding of the AI landscape.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#103
A question I've always wondered, and relevant here. If this is inter-company (and probably intra-company) communication, why don't these companies manually exchange one-time pads and use them? It's surely not hard for a courier to carry literally terabytes of OTP, and report if it was taken off them at any point.

I was thinking of tape or HD, but now you an have the courier carry a terabyte of OTP in a few USB sticks.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#104

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

I'm not the one who called you a Mexican

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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post #84

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Already debunked in this thread. > Even their university culture practically encourages cheating It is not like we'd not have this in western culture. They use the same metres we do: titles and names of educational institutions attended. As with every metric. th…

> Who is going to be able to afford the products if we all are replaced by robots in the workplace?

!=

> When robotic manufacturing eventually becomes cheaper and faster than manufacturing in China

That is a straw man argument. Manufacturing is one of the leading frontiers in automation. It's going to be cheaper to manufacture things outside of China due to automation long before a significant enough portion of the workforce is out of work due to automation and unable to afford the manufactured goods.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#106

Other comments here incorrectly pointing out that Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China - they do. And why wouldn't they, it's obviously much cheaper to manufacture there given material and labor costs. Obviously they don't manufacture highly sensitive military aircraft in China, but commercial aircraft, sure why not. What they don't do is the design, testing, and certification in China. This is the real IP -…

They manufacture in China not mainly because it's cheaper (lots of places are cheaper than their home countries), but because it's the only way to get a significant part of the large Chinese market.

> inherently do not trust a Chinese-owned, manufactured, and regulated system for commercial aircraft

This is true, but it was also true for European airliners in the US at a time. And it took time and effort, but it changed.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#107

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China

Airbus has been building aircrafts at a Final Assembly Line in Tianjin since 2009. And many Airbus/Boeing suppliers have formed joint-ventures with Chinese companies to bid on contracts for the C919.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#108
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

A few questions: do you repeat any interview questions across candidates? Do you work for a company that sponsors H1Bs? Does your company have some "prestige" (either a highly visible startup or one of Facebook/Google/Microsoft/Apple/etc)? If so, then your questions are almost certainly available online and talked about in detail within the Chinese community. I would like to point you to (and encourage a search of yo…

Thanks for the the heads-up :)

I hadn't heard about that specific board, but I'm certainly aware that students frequently collaborate in various public and private ways. It's definitely true that my company would be a prominent target, so we take various measures to try to defend against preparation like this.

For clarity, I didn't mean to imply that I had done a formal study. I'm just reporting my personal experience.

Editing to add: I'm really interested in other people's experience, too! I'm honestly curious how this person got the idea that the college grads do not know the fundamentals well. Maybe they're testing fundamentals in a way I'm not and I can learn.

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>The white men who have been degraded and disowned of their culture, identity, and lands as throngs of foreign legions of "immigrants" are teated better than they, the heirs of the men that created the civilized world we all benefit from while most immigrants and freeloading types revile and fully disrespect what they have yet never earned As a white man, you lost me completely there. Immigrants are absolutely not tr…

> As a white man, you lost me completely there.

I'm not the OP but you've lost me as well. What part of what you're saying is supported by data? Any data?

> In fact, you are reviling (immigration, foreigners) the very thing that gave rise to the west as it is now.

What gave rise to the USA were productive people creating a country for themselves and preventing other people from immigrating there. Immigration was mostly limited to other anglos.

One of the most remarkable things happened in Africa, I forget exactly where, where an unbelievably high number of 160IQ+, 170IQ+ school children were found whose parents had immigrated from Britain.

What you had in the USA were a high concentration of these outlier geniuses and other very productive people that made a new nation for themselves.

> The history of the white man is filled with taking ideas and solutions from other cultures and races they encounter and building on them, essentially the same thing you're accusing China of doing unfairly.

Is this not a ridiculous statement? The history of the "white man" is filled with producing outlier geniuses that are costly to those around them but benefit the group. These geniuses go their own way, they don't take ideas from others. You don't see these kinds of geniuses elsewhere, for reasons I forget.

> Slavery, abuse, theft and centuries of using and discarding anything and anyone we can to get ahead is a significant part of our history

I'm fairly certain that the consensus among those that have looked into slavery in the USA is that it was nothing but detrimental, slowing down progress. The slaves were well fed and made to work little. Children have been made to replicate the daily work of a slave in the USA and have done it with no issue.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you to learn that the very people that ended slavery are the same people that treated their slaves well.

The slaves that freed themselves before slavery ended integrated surprisingly well, much better than the rest that gained their freedom later. Maybe an IQ difference between those capable of setting themselves free and those not.

> Immigrants, especially second and third generation immigrants often have stronger ties to the country the immigrated to and are more willing to fight for it and die for it as numerous studies ahve shown.

It's a recognized problem in Europe that second and third generation immigrants from the middle eastern countries are integrating worse than their parents.

I don't know man, everything you're saying just seems made up from the spot.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

#110

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Even their university culture practically encourages cheating in classes to pass, so you have generations of students graduating with weak understanding of the fundamentals.

There is some truth in that, but it's quite exaggerated and sounds like a conclusion someone without deeper understanding of China AND US would make.

If someone only learned about US education system via news sources, the picture being drawn is gonna be quite bleak, sex, drugs, anti-intellectual, bribery for admission, racism, classism, etc. ...while in reality, it's mostly working pretty well, but nobody is getting views by writing about smart and hard working students doing well in school.

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