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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by craftinator »

jcoffland wrote: post #32
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

Nationalist comments, not racist.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by uncoder0 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #46
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Airbus manufactures in China. They have a large factory in Tianjin [1]. China is on course to have its own commercial airliner soon [2] [1] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--chin... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

Seems like China would have an incentive to get the other IP from Airbus's suppliers to make their own competitor.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by dvt »

yomly wrote: post #90
dvt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... technical interviews ... Technical interviews are manufactured tests that can be easily gamed. The idea that any valuable insight can be drawn from them is naïve at best. Further, the post was specifically about innovation -- given this constraint, technical interviews are notoriously bad at separating the wheat from the chaff (e.g. product questions are non-existent in technical interviews). "Fundamentals" can…

You don't know anything about the parent's process so your assumptions are pretty wild The parent's anecdotal experience is still a valuable datapoint in the face of two baseless stereotypes: 1. Chinese educated people lack fundamentals and are ill equipped for innovation 2. Technical interviews are at best a naive mechanism for evaluating candidates

Which of my points do you think are in contention? That technical interviews can be gamed? That product questions aren't asked? Or that technical interviews produce bad signals?

Because I have plenty of evidence for all of the above, and the fact that technical hiring is profoundly broken is discussed ad nauseam on HN.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by yorwba »

eganist wrote: post #14
joaomacp wrote: post #7

Out of curiosity: why is China not mentioned in the article's title, when the first sentence states a "Chinese state-sponsored hacking operation"?

It took my vouch to un-dead your comment, useful because I couldn't reply to it otherwise. I'm morbidly fascinated as to how the top two comments on this submission were marked dead in the first place, but considering it took a vouch to automatically bring it back to life, there's a hint of a Flag brigade on this thread. To answer your comment: because the title of the submission "Airbus Suppliers Hit in State-Sponso…

The user you're replying to has been leaving a trail of dead comments since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14150381

If it's marked as [dead] but not [flagged], the comment was killed automatically. No reason to suspect brigading.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by throwaway1p3a »

jkaptur wrote: post #73
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

A few questions: do you repeat any interview questions across candidates? Do you work for a company that sponsors H1Bs? Does your company have some "prestige" (either a highly visible startup or one of Facebook/Google/Microsoft/Apple/etc)? If so, then your questions are almost certainly available online and talked about in detail within the Chinese community.

I would like to point you to (and encourage a search of your questions or your company): https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/ . This is probably the largest board out there that shares interview questions (and answers!), techniques, approaches, etc... including leaks of questions, "help" from insiders at large companies, and more. If you seem to suspect that there is some sort of nation-based component to your Chinese interviewees doing quite well, I suspect you may find your study is poisoned and I recommend a redo. As an American, I have not found something similar to 1p3a in terms of the wealth of information available for getting recruited at large companies.

1p3a isn't the only one out there either. There are many more. This is just the one I've been able to hear coworkers and students when I was in undergrad talk about a lot.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by agumonkey »

KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

All very plausible, but maybe aerospace is just something they're weak at while getting strong on others (computer vision recently, but maybe that was also stealing I can't say).

Anecdotally, the strongest student grade wise I've seen in college was a Chinese one. I don't think she managed to cheat there.

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Post by kingkawn »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #29
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Yes exactly, China is mostly imitative and their culture and systems makes it so that they cannot innovate on any scale. Their current accomplishments are built on the basis of theft and when once we fix our security they will fall even further behind than they already are.

I know the Chinese government has made a concerted effort to steal IP. Still I also find the descriptions of Chinese culture, and Asian culture in general, that demean it as imitative and incapable of creative thought not as rational descriptions of the world, but instead bizarre holdovers of old racist ideologies repackaged in more palatable contemporary business-lingo.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by Yessing »

KoftaBob wrote: post #71
paxys wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would still pick a good leader who isn't necessarily a technical expert over Elon Musk's "AI will become self aware and take over the world" schtick.

I would think Pascal's Wager can be applied to that. If Musk is wrong, being extra careful with AI will just mean slightly slower development. If he's right and we don't take it seriously, humanity is wiped out. Why take the chance?

I thought that pascal's Wager only works with infinite reward/ punishment.

End of humanity is in the grand scheme of things something trivial. It's just happens and then nobody suffers. so there must be a probability low enough to balance it out.

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Post by [deleted] »

jlg23 wrote: post #84
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Already debunked in this thread. > Even their university culture practically encourages cheating It is not like we'd not have this in western culture. They use the same metres we do: titles and names of educational institutions attended. As with every metric. th…

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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by gruez »

jlg23 wrote: post #84
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Already debunked in this thread. > Even their university culture practically encourages cheating It is not like we'd not have this in western culture. They use the same metres we do: titles and names of educational institutions attended. As with every metric. th…

> > Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products.

>Already debunked in this thread.

Seems to be true, although they're only manufacturing interior parts. Certainly nothing high tech.

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