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Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by roywiggins »

bobthepanda wrote: post #38
joaomacp wrote: post #7

Out of curiosity: why is China not mentioned in the article's title, when the first sentence states a "Chinese state-sponsored hacking operation"?

"Airbus Suppliers Hit in State-Sponsored Attack" would imply China is 100% known to be the hacking operation, and that China was convicted of doing such a thing in a court. This is not true, and would be grounds for libel. "Airbus Suppliers Possibly Hit in Chinese State-Sponsored Attack" is less attractive as a headline.

Is there any way you can "libel" a country outside of sedition? Worrying about publishing something that might be seditious in China seems like splitting hairs, since the body of the article directly points the finger at Chinese hackers.

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Post by rossdavidh »

So, it used to be that saying anything remotely skeptical about Bitcoin was the way to get downvoted on HN. Nowadays, it seems that saying anything negative about China is how.

Although, in the field of aeronautics, it is not like China is the only "state sponsor" to engage in espionage, or that this is anything new for any of the major powers.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by dabeeeenster »

rauchp wrote: post #47
heavenlyblue wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to judge. If you compare China to the old days of USSR - I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale). But USSR also maintained multiple closed cities which would contain the smartest people they had in the whole of the union. I am certain if you picked a few people from there they would be of a completely different opinion of what USSR was at the time as well. So I…

That's an interesting point. Who knows what could actually be going behind closed doors in China? A lot of what we hear from China comes from second hand sources. If the Chinese are doing big things, their government seems pretty tight lipped on revealing breakthroughs and their progress (unlike the USSR.) > I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale). True, especially in the…

The USSR was the first to reach every major milestone in the race to land on the moon, apart from the final one.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by roymurdock »

Other comments here incorrectly pointing out that Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China - they do. And why wouldn't they, it's obviously much cheaper to manufacture there given material and labor costs. Obviously they don't manufacture highly sensitive military aircraft in China, but commercial aircraft, sure why not.

What they don't do is the design, testing, and certification in China. This is the real IP - not the materials or the assembly techniques, but how to navigate the regulatory landscape of the FAA and the EASA in extremely complex hardware/software integrated systems. The article mentions certification documents/evidence as a primary target.

The funny thing in all this is that passengers inherently trust the FAA and EASA operated system and inherently do not trust a Chinese-owned, manufactured, and regulated system for commercial aircraft. When really this breach was all about the money - Chinese companies want to get in on Boeing and Airbus' market.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I will say that Boeing isn't doing itself any favors with it's cost cutting efforts on the 737 MAX, and that if it wants to keep consumers trust in its planes over the perception of "inferior" foreign competition, it needs to work much more closely with the FAA to ensure safety is the primary motivating factor on new designs and does not get overriden by fuel efficiency.

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Post by decebalus1 »

jcoffland wrote: post #32
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

You do realize that 'Chinese' is not a race, right?

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Post by blub »

JamesSchriver wrote: post #6

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I don't think China has to invade Europe, they're quite happy buying real estate, businesses and going on vacation there. Governments like Italy and others are happy to bow in front of the Chinese government in exchange for money.

A military invasion would ruin the whole thing.

The same holds for Russia, but to a lesser degree, because they're not as rich as China.

An actual problem in Western European societies is massive immigration from religiously fundamentalist countries. To them Europe and its citizens are just prey. And they're exploiting the current climate of political correctness to avoid criticism. PC is a massive problem for social discourse.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by mytailorisrich »

patfla wrote: post #50
mytailorisrich wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airbus manufactures in China. They have a large factory in Tianjin [1]. China is on course to have its own commercial airliner soon [2] [1] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--chin... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

Perhaps, but the article itself says that Comac is having problems certifying its (first) commercial airliner. And part of what was targeted was Airbus data relating to certification. I add (first) because I've read about the C919 elsewhere.

Boeing is having problems with its new planes... Designing and building airliners from scratch is not easy but China will get there because it's of strategic importance, and then the current duopoly will be broken.

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Post by KoftaBob »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #43
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly, China is mostly imitative and their culture and systems makes it so that they cannot innovate on any scale. Their current accomplishments are built on the basis of theft and when once we fix our security they will fall even further behind than they already are.

It's hard to judge. If you compare China to the old days of USSR - I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale). But USSR also maintained multiple closed cities which would contain the smartest people they had in the whole of the union. I am certain if you picked a few people from there they would be of a completely different opinion of what USSR was at the time as well. So I…

USSR had a much stronger engineering apparatus than China does. They beat the US to launching a human in space, then beat them again with the first artificial satellite. Sure they stole nuclear weapons technology from the US/UK teams, but that was more-so a matter of self preservation.

I want to emphasize that there are tons of incredibly brilliant minds in China working on amazing things. It's their government system that makes it so that rather than incentivizing innovation, they've focused on building the most efficient IP theft system the world has ever seen.

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Post by swarnie_ »

rossdavidh wrote: post #52

So, it used to be that saying anything remotely skeptical about Bitcoin was the way to get downvoted on HN. Nowadays, it seems that saying anything negative about China is how. Although, in the field of aeronautics, it is not like China is the only "state sponsor" to engage in espionage, or that this is anything new for any of the major powers.

You want to try writing something vaguely anti-USA, that's when they really come out to get you.
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