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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by akhilcacharya »

KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> It's so clear that Ma has an absolutely minuscule understanding of the AI landscape.

I have no idea if Jack Ma knows about the ML landscape or not. But it's clear just by taking an anti-alarmist stance he's correct.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by vonmoltke »

KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products.

Actually, they have a narrowbody competitor set to enter production: https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/03/17/20567/

Also:

> Boeing has built a B737 finishing factory and Airbus has a final A320 final assembly plant in China, with Airbus planning on building a wide-body jet plant in the country as well.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by heavenlyblue »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #29
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Yes exactly, China is mostly imitative and their culture and systems makes it so that they cannot innovate on any scale. Their current accomplishments are built on the basis of theft and when once we fix our security they will fall even further behind than they already are.

It's hard to judge. If you compare China to the old days of USSR - I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale).

But USSR also maintained multiple closed cities which would contain the smartest people they had in the whole of the union. I am certain if you picked a few people from there they would be of a completely different opinion of what USSR was at the time as well.

So I am wondering if modern-day China has those, too. They might not be bringing huge industries to fruition based on their research - but on the other hand they might be working on strategic projects such as submarines, etc that are hard to clearly see behind the usual commercial noise.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by ilikehurdles »

jcoffland wrote: post #32
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

It is not an attack on a race of people. There is an SCMP article on the problematic atmosphere of cheating in Chinese schools [1], and dozens by Chinese contributors to large, mainstream publications.

[1]:https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1974986...

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by vonmoltke »

netsharc wrote: post #21
munmaek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Valuable aviation intel to use for their young, but growing, airline industry.

Makes me wonder if it'd be simpler to gain this stuff the old-fashioned spy way: bribe or blackmail someone working in one of those supplier companies. If Pierre in Toulouse is desperate to hide his affair with the Chinese girl he met a week ago in the bar...

Oh, that certainly happens as well. It's just harder to pull off, because physical security at these companies (even physical computer security) is well ahead of network security.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by mytailorisrich »

KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Airbus manufactures in China. They have a large factory in Tianjin [1].

China is on course to have its own commercial airliner soon [2]

[1] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--chin...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by rauchp »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #43
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly, China is mostly imitative and their culture and systems makes it so that they cannot innovate on any scale. Their current accomplishments are built on the basis of theft and when once we fix our security they will fall even further behind than they already are.

It's hard to judge. If you compare China to the old days of USSR - I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale). But USSR also maintained multiple closed cities which would contain the smartest people they had in the whole of the union. I am certain if you picked a few people from there they would be of a completely different opinion of what USSR was at the time as well. So I…

That's an interesting point. Who knows what could actually be going behind closed doors in China? A lot of what we hear from China comes from second hand sources. If the Chinese are doing big things, their government seems pretty tight lipped on revealing breakthroughs and their progress (unlike the USSR.)

> I wouldn't think USSR was that great at creative thinking, either (on a bigger scale).

True, especially in the later years of the USSR. But they did launch a satellite into space before anyone else. At some point they were creative thinkers, at least.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by weberc2 »

curiousgal wrote: post #34
jcoffland wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, these are some seriously racist comments.

Welcome to HN where any China-related topic is treated with the same hostility.

If this level of "hostility" offends you, please don't read the US-related topics.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by patfla »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #46
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Airbus manufactures in China. They have a large factory in Tianjin [1]. China is on course to have its own commercial airliner soon [2] [1] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--chin... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

Perhaps, but the article itself says that Comac is having problems certifying its (first) commercial airliner. And part of what was targeted was Airbus data relating to certification.

I add (first) because I've read about the C919 elsewhere.

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