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Post by iamd3vil »

godelmachine wrote: post #248
iamd3vil wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't ever user free VPNs and especially something like Hotspot Shield. You can check https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ for a comparison of VPN services. I use Mullvad VPN which supports both OpenVPN and Wireguard(which is the reason I use Mullvad) and costs 5 euros per month. You can use something like Bitcoin to pay if you want anonymity.

Thanks for opening my cautioning about HotSpot Shield. 5 euros/ month sounds expensive but does it give a bigger bang for your buck?

I think it does. If you want cheaper VPNs, you should checkout Private Internet Access(PIA). If you subscribe for annual plans, you will get it cheaper there. PIA doesn't support Wireguard protocol though.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by afiori »

thenewnewguy wrote: post #191
sverige wrote: post #185

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What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?

Why are they required to have committed a crime? Cloudflare isn't the government, why do you believe they're obligated to serve 8chan? Cloudflare took down one website that was directly related to a major tragedy that cost people their lives. If you want to complain about that go ahead, but I don't care. I don't allow people to use my websites to spread that kind of hate, and I have no problem with Cloudflare doing t…

It is not about CF being forced to serve them, it is about balance, honestly I am fine with this take-down, but this cannot be dismissed as just being private individuals with private choices. This was obviously in their freedom to do, and it is not for me to say whether it was wrong or not (I actually quite like CF), but if stuff like this become a pattern then things become problematic.

It would either mean that the laws are insufficient or that the market is overreaching.

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Post by afiori »

sverige wrote: post #265
thenewnewguy wrote: post #205

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> The point is that they are demonstrably not exactly what they claim to be, and thus some level of distrust is warranted. Where does Cloudflare claim to be content agnostic?

Here's one of their statements about free speech from six years ago. It's essentially what I've always thought of as their brand. It's sad to see them compromise their principles, but sometimes it only takes one little Twitter mob to make people back down. That's why it's reasonable to question their character. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/

My personal impression was that they did not surrender to a mob, but that the mob made them look closer to what they were hosting. I am not saying it is better, this is just my personal impression.

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Post by afiori »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #272
sverige wrote: post #185

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What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?

Where did I say they created a crime? Perhaps your lust for viewing mass murder in real-time must be slaked by 8chan, but I have no such interest. Nor should it be the go to place to encourage or host such content. Stop being obtuse.

Sometimes people see things differently from you without being stupid.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by afiori »

sascha_sl wrote: post #239
daxorid wrote: post #235

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8chan's primary crime is not being sufficiently popular. The Christchurch killer livestreamed the event on Facebook, and the enormous well-funded content moderation apparatus within failed to shut it down until well after the innocents were dead. But Grandma uses Facebook, so we can't go after them. The Wal-Mart shooter had a Twitter account, and posted plenty of content questionable enough even for the FBI to take n…

8chan attracting such people despite being so small is the entire point and i can't believe i have to point that out they want those people there this is where they radicalize each other

https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/07/22/freedom-on-the-central...

quote: There’s an unfortunate corollary to this, which is that if you try to create a libertarian paradise, you will attract three deeply virtuous people with a strong commitment to the principle of universal freedom, plus millions of scoundrels. Declare that you’re going to stop holding witch hunts, and your coalition is certain to include more than its share of witches.

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Post by afiori »

laughinghan wrote: post #291
daxorid wrote: post #235

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8chan's primary crime is not being sufficiently popular. The Christchurch killer livestreamed the event on Facebook, and the enormous well-funded content moderation apparatus within failed to shut it down until well after the innocents were dead. But Grandma uses Facebook, so we can't go after them. The Wal-Mart shooter had a Twitter account, and posted plenty of content questionable enough even for the FBI to take n…

You're right that Facebook was successfully abused by the Christchurch killer, but 8chan was being used by his community as intended , not abused. To most people, that's why 8chan needed to be shut down, but Facebook only needs to be fixed. Why do you think that's irrelevant, and being small is the only crime?

As I understand 8chan took down the stream in reasonable time.

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Post by godelmachine »

iamd3vil wrote: post #321
godelmachine wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for opening my cautioning about HotSpot Shield. 5 euros/ month sounds expensive but does it give a bigger bang for your buck?

I think it does. If you want cheaper VPNs, you should checkout Private Internet Access(PIA). If you subscribe for annual plans, you will get it cheaper there. PIA doesn't support Wireguard protocol though.

Thanks for this.

I have already bought Adblock by Futuremind from AppStore. Went through https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ didn’t saw Adblock anywhere. Reckon Futuremind Adblock ain’t that good :(

May I ask on what basis you judge the reliability of VPN’s?

I can already see OpenVPN and WireGuard support, but apart from that, any other major parameter?

Any doc I could read to understand VPN’s better?

Thanks again for taking interest in my issue.

PS - Are you talking about the VPN by Private Internet Access Developer by Anonymous VPN Service and provided by London Trust Media, Inc on AppStore?

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Post by mr_toad »

tptacek wrote: post #148

Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?

If I’m not mistaken, they’ve open sourced their “fork” (actually more of a rewrite than a fork).

https://github.com/cloudflare/boringtun/

Which is more valuable to the community? I don’t really think you can quantify it.

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Post by krn »

t-writescode wrote: post #304
krn wrote: post #234

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> And why should they? Because that's a sensible thing to do when someone's open source project is at the very core of your commercial product? > When was the last time someone you know paid Redhat for CentOS or Canonical for Ubuntu on principal? Netflix and Tarsnap have donated to FreeBSD Foundation multiple times[1], and Jan Koum has donated over $1 million after selling WhatsApp[2]. Also, look at how many companie…

Sensible isn’t really the right word here. It’s sensible to buy a support contract. It’s charitable and good PR to give them money.

> It’s sensible to buy a support contract. It’s charitable and good PR to give them money.

If the development of an open-source project significantly affects your commercial product, there is nothing charitable in supporting it: because you are the one who needs that project to survive.

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