The 1.1.1.1 app's original UI was nice and simple: just a big switch. But trying to cram WARP and WARP+ into the same UI is confusing. The same switch is now used to show and control multiple states: Disconnected, Connecting, Connected to WARP, Connected to WARP+, and Paused. In addition, there is redundant UI to switch between WARP and WARP+ in the "Additional Settings" menu and to unpause on the main screen.
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#232Speedtest showing download speeds 3X slower (around 35MBPS vs 110). On PIA, which costs me around $3/month when I buy yearly, I get around 75MBPS, it does hide IP, and I can select the country and region I want. Also it's available on my computer and on multiple devices at once. I don't see the value of WARP+ at $4.99/month. Less features and slower.
Netflix's fast.com speed test on my iPhone: * Comcast without WARP: 460 Mbps * Comcast with WARP: 30 Mbps * T-Mobile without WARP: 500 Kbps * T-Mobile with WARP: 600 Kbps Regular WARP doesn't claim any performance speedups, so I'm curious to see how WARP+ compares. In the meantime, I will disable WARP for my home Wi-Fi.
fast.com speed test on iPhone:
* Hi3G (Carrier Aggregation) without WARP+: 39 Mbps
* Hi3G (Carrier Aggregation) with WARP+: 39 Mbps
* Hi3G without WARP+: 12 Mbps
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#233I fully understand why a company would like to launch this type of service. This is the free market after all, and it would make the company insanely valuable, should it succeed. However I do have an issue with the marketing behind it. While not said outright, there is a clear message here that due to some unspecified magic your network performance will increase. That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the…
> That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the very least This is not clear to me. Few mobile users have pings to anywhere pushing up against the speed of light, and the bandwidth/loss/routing is not close to being limited by physics.
It was not meant in a literal sense, I hope that much was clear. The language was suggestive on purpose considering the article being commented on. A longer path takes longer time as speed of light varies comparably little, that much is physics.
And sending traffic by way of a third party is very likely to make for a longer path, for most people in most circumstances. Not by necessity but because few have that lousy routing agreements, unless we're talking about special circumstances such as 6to4 tunnels and the like.
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#234Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?
And why should they? WireGuard is free† so it seems (to me) a bit futile trying to shame them on a niche site like HN and expect them to change their behavior and support the community that they draw from. Mind you, this problem is not limited to Wireguard/Cloudflare. The NTP servers, curl, libssl prior to Heartbleed, the list of important open source software in need of funding goes on. It's fighting also a basic re…
> And why should they?
Because that's a sensible thing to do when someone's open source project is at the very core of your commercial product?
> When was the last time someone you know paid Redhat for CentOS or Canonical for Ubuntu on principal?
Netflix and Tarsnap have donated to FreeBSD Foundation multiple times[1], and Jan Koum has donated over $1 million after selling WhatsApp[2].
Also, look at how many companies are sponsoring LetsEncrypt[3] – including Akamai and Fastly – but not Cloudflare.
[1] https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donors/
[2] https://www.freebsdnews.com/2016/12/02/jan-koum-founder-what...
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
A site where mass murders are encouraged to post their killing spree videos? Where hate groups and anonymous cowards promote hate, violence and other ideas? Spare us your "" defense of the indefensible.
What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?
8chan's primary crime is not being sufficiently popular.
The Christchurch killer livestreamed the event on Facebook, and the enormous well-funded content moderation apparatus within failed to shut it down until well after the innocents were dead.
But Grandma uses Facebook, so we can't go after them.
The Wal-Mart shooter had a Twitter account, and posted plenty of content questionable enough even for the FBI to take notice.
But cousin Jake uses Twitter, so we can't go after them.
It doesn't matter what 8chan was used for, because far more popular platforms were used for far worse content. The only thing that mattered here was popularity.
And 8chan didn't have it.
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great eye! We haven't figured out how to expose them yet for sites not using Cloudflare. We do have some experience solving this problem for Spectrum [1] we're hoping to lean on. The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private, as that is not the intent of WARP. 1- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mmproxy-creative-way-of-preservi...
Although Warp doesn't mask IP addresses, it should be useful for these two use cases: 1) Communicating with insecure websites (HTTP instead of HTTPS) 2) Using unsecured wireless networks (e.g. Wi-Fi at a coffee shop) Beyond these two cases, is there any advantage to using Warp? Does Warp provide any benefits for email (secure IMAP/SMTP), file sharing (BitTorrent), or other protocols?
WARP+ apparently takes advantage of CloudFlare's Argo Smart Routing https://www.cloudflare.com/products/argo-smart-routing/
Statistics from one of my websites running Argo show a 16.73% percent improvement for 32.3% of web traffic routed through Argo.
For my Google Cloud Washington based server, I see 5-15% improvement for some traffic from the EU and US East Coast and 15-30% improvement some traffic from Asia, Africa, and South America. (all according to CF statistics)
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#237Would anyone kindly elucidate on the difference between Warp vs VPN? I recently purchased Adblock by Futuremind from AppStore, since I got really worried about my privacy. It has some features like local proxy DNS and setting up new rules. I keep my VPN on all day. Before that, I used to use Hotspot Shield since that was free. I used to get only one server viz. USA. I see internet speaks highly of NordVPN but that’s…
Don't ever user free VPNs and especially something like Hotspot Shield. You can check https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ for a comparison of VPN services.
I use Mullvad VPN which supports both OpenVPN and Wireguard(which is the reason I use Mullvad) and costs 5 euros per month. You can use something like Bitcoin to pay if you want anonymity.
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#238I love it. You always have to make privacy and security tradeoffs -- and to me WARP is a promising initiative.
Question: is there an OSX version? Or am I just blind? :)
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?
8chan's primary crime is not being sufficiently popular. The Christchurch killer livestreamed the event on Facebook, and the enormous well-funded content moderation apparatus within failed to shut it down until well after the innocents were dead. But Grandma uses Facebook, so we can't go after them. The Wal-Mart shooter had a Twitter account, and posted plenty of content questionable enough even for the FBI to take n…
8chan attracting such people despite being so small is the entire point and i can't believe i have to point that out
they want those people there
this is where they radicalize each other
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#240I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…
Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…
> but hope there will always be more independent web because we exist than there would be if we didn’t.
I'm wary about joining in on Cloudflare bashing. I like Cloudflare. But...
The mark of a responsible company is that it has plans to mitigate potential harm once it stops being responsible. At one point growing up, I would have made the same arguments you make here about Google. They're not perfect, but they're better than the alternative.
The problem is that this promise essentially boils down to, "we'll try very hard not to be bad." You can't make that promise, even if you're a good person. At some point you're going to either retire or die, and your company will be handed off to other people. Your comment doesn't make me feel any better, because it reads to me like your plan is, "things won't go wrong", and you don't know that.
I'm glad Cloudflare exists, and I do think you're doing a heck of a lot more good than harm. Cloudflare is about as close as anyone can get to an ethical company. But if this is the attitude, then Cloudflare is not a responsible company, because it's not making plans for what will happen after its owners turn evil. Cloudflare is an ally for the Open Web right now. It doesn't have a backup strategy I can see for when that changes.
The Shopify analogy is actually really fitting to me. Shopify is better than Amazon, but Shopify is definitely not where I want the future of commerce to be. Many of the problems and risks inherent in Amazon's design are also inherent in Shopify -- Shopify just happens to be a more ethical company that tries harder not to exploit those flaws.
At some point in the future, once we've all centralized everything onto Shopify, that will change and Shopify will become the new Amazon. And at some point in the future, maybe even decades from now, Cloudflare will become evil. All powerful companies eventually become evil, it's inevitable.