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Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by Erwin »

moftz wrote: post #529
saiya-jin wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i see those AEDs popping up around, ie in the office, train station, every pharmacy around has them. My wife is an emergency doctor, an she has clear opinion about those - yes they save lives, but in most cases, people will end up as 'vegetables' (not sure what's the proper english term for +-brain death). I only presume she meant more severe heart attacks that would normally result in death prior to emergency arrivi…

Just like with old school CPR, there's really no guarantee you won't be a vegetable. Maybe you get lucky and the person doing CPR does it right, the AED arrives soon enough, and the paramedics arrive soon enough. Always make sure you have a living will to cover such kinds of situations. I would hate having my vegetable body ending up in a fight between loved ones who want to keep me alive and loved ones who want to d…

Here in Denmark there's a volunteer "heart runner" programme. If someone calls 911 and has a cardiac arrest, people in the programme that nearby can be notified to fetch an available public AED and run to the patient (or attempt manual resuscitation).

According to their material, the 30-day survival rate in Denmark has gone from 3.8% (2001) to 10.4% in 2016, with 67.5% bystander assistance: https://hjertestarter.dk/english/you-can-save-lives though it's not clear how much the programme itself can claim.

According to various papers, rapid CPR/AED after a heart attack can triple survival rates.

It's still pretty bleak outcome, but better than e.g. in 2002 Detroit, where 1 out of 471 out of hospital cardiac arrests (OHCA) survived to hospital discharge. In USA, all those stats are apparently being tracked by a programmed called CARES.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by ggreer »

auslander wrote: post #348
cbsks wrote: post #182

Well, crap. I have been avoiding smart watches like the plague but this plus the ECG may put me over the edge. My family has a history of heart disease, I commute by bike every day, and I have a young child who I want to see grow up. One of my friends was recently killed in a motorcycle crash. A passerby found them in the morning in some bushes near the side of the road. We don't know what time the crash occurred, or…

> but this plus the ECG may put me over the edge. We are still waiting for ECG here in Australia. Sigh.

That's the fault of Australia, not Apple[1]:

> "If Apple claims the ECG function in its Apple Watch has therapeutic benefit for wearers, the watch would need to be included in the [Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods] in order to be legally supplied in Australia," a TGA spokesperson said to Gizmodo Australia in a statement.

This could be fixed if Australia allowed unapproved devices to be sold with a warning instead of outright banning them.

1. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/09/why-apple-watch-series-5-...

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by abawany »

jacobush wrote: post #395
abawany wrote: post #320

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I don't think so unfortunately - the cellular watches are weird in that they must be on the same cellular network as the associated iphone. The recipe I suggested above works with the non-cellular version of the watch and counts on being on the same wireless network as the phone. So imo, you will need one iphone per watch. However, I have been able to get refurbished iphone 6s devices for as little as $60; you probab…

And iPhone SE ? Mine runs 13.1

You are right - that should work well as well I believe due to its 6s internals. It's a good idea too: in the US the SE can be found even cheaper than the 6s.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by brightball »

WA wrote: post #485

I bet this is a great feature (and I do have an Apple Watch), but can we please hold for a sec here? This piece reads like an Ad. Furthermore, many comments here are about "I want to see my kids grow up". Now please, calculate the odds of: - you are in a terrible accident - there is no one around you to call an ambulance - you can’t call an ambulance yourself, because you are knocked out or can’t move I think the odd…

This is basically the same reason people buy firearms for their home in case of a break in. The odds are incredibly low but you feel better having it.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by LorenPechtel »

okmokmz wrote: post #616
coldtea wrote: post #550

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> - you are in a terrible accident - there is no one around you to call an ambulance - you can’t call an ambulance yourself, because you are knocked out or can’t move Increasingly large odds after a certain age, and not small if you do certain sports (e.g. trekking, climbing, etc) regardless of age. In fact, older people falling accidents is so common, a proverb in a European country says: "The elderly die either fro…

>not small if you do certain sports (e.g. trekking, climbing, etc) If you're serious about hiking/climbing you should never be in a position where you would need an apple watch to save you. You should always let people know where you are going, what you are planning to do, and when you plan to be back or at least back in contact otherwise they should call a rescue team. If you're solo climbing and your apple watch is…

Telling my wife I'm going up the South Loop will let her point S&R in the general area. Where on the 8 1/2 miles of trail (or a bit off it if I stopped to take a leak) am I? (However, that's probably better than what the watch could do as service along there varies from marginal to nonexistent.)

On the other hand, I don't see that there is any appreciable fall risk from hiking. It's the scramblers that get hurt, not those of us who stick to trails.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by LorenPechtel »

enos_feedler wrote: post #603
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #599

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Likely your Apple Watch won't be able to call for help if you're injured trekking or climbing, unless there's a cell tower on the mountain. Having personally been run over cycling, multiple passersby called 911 for me immediately, and I was in a ambulance in less than 10min.

This is true. I am going trekking in a remote area and bought a Garmin InReach Mini. I know it pairs with my phone so it would be cool if there was some Apple Watch Siri shortcut that could make a satellite SOS message via the Garmin when a fall is detected.

Yup, for us hikers it would need to be able to use satellite communications to be of much value. Something of that nature would seriously tempt me to upgrade from PLB to inReach.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by 1e-9 »

WA wrote: post #485

I bet this is a great feature (and I do have an Apple Watch), but can we please hold for a sec here? This piece reads like an Ad. Furthermore, many comments here are about "I want to see my kids grow up". Now please, calculate the odds of: - you are in a terrible accident - there is no one around you to call an ambulance - you can’t call an ambulance yourself, because you are knocked out or can’t move I think the odd…

The odds become uncomfortably high for the elderly. In the U.S., falls are the leading cause of both injuries (at 7 million/yr) and death from injuries (at 27 thousand/yr) for the elderly[1]. It is a significant risk even if you aren't older. Worldwide, falls are the leading cause of accidental or unintentional injury deaths overall[2]. Given the incidence rate, I would say the odds of a serious fall injury while alone are significant enough to warrant precautions such as a smart watch with fall detection.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2016/p0922-older-adult-fa... [2] https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/falls

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by dang »

neuronic wrote: post #437
solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

People are already refusing to call 911 or the equivalent in other countries and the reasons are manifold. For one, liability is a concern, a socially trained lack of empathy (e.g. Han Chinese), or the bystander effect.

Please keep racial flamebait off this site.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by oarabbus_ »

WA wrote: post #485

I bet this is a great feature (and I do have an Apple Watch), but can we please hold for a sec here? This piece reads like an Ad. Furthermore, many comments here are about "I want to see my kids grow up". Now please, calculate the odds of: - you are in a terrible accident - there is no one around you to call an ambulance - you can’t call an ambulance yourself, because you are knocked out or can’t move I think the odd…

I don't understand your post at all. I think there's a very large population of individuals >60 years of age who are frequently in circumstances where no one is around them to call and ambulance, and they cannot call one themselves due to being infirm, disabled, ill, etc.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by ryacko »

ryacko wrote: post #491
simonh wrote: post #458

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That really doesn't look much like any of the Apple watches I've seen. What model is it?

What sort of hackfixes are used to ensure that you have a seamless user experience? It's not open source, I'm not about to defend a product I know nothing about.

Correction: the bug tracker with entries on fixing false positive rates is not public.
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