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Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

chii wrote: post #155
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not specific to this place. It's an effective persuasive argument technique. Say you want to praise Apple for something. Since praising Apple to Apple fans is preaching to the choir, your target is people who are not currently huge Apple fans. So, you begin by saying "hi, I am one of you, a person who isn't a big Apple fan." Now that you've established yourself as a member of the in-group, you drop your argument…

aka, virtue signaling.

It isn't technically virtue signing since it's meant to be persuasive.

The post further down (well, up now) that's calling attention to the fact that the guy should replace his helmet because he used it (something that is common knowledge for most people young enough to only have worn single use helmets and is literally printed on the helmet and packaging) is a better example of virtue signaling since it states something basically everyone already accepts as fact and is only tangentially related to the article in the first place.

Unfortunately, the term virtue signaling has taken on a political meaning so you can't say it and expect the internet even if you mean it in the technical sense.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by cbsks »

Well, crap. I have been avoiding smart watches like the plague but this plus the ECG may put me over the edge. My family has a history of heart disease, I commute by bike every day, and I have a young child who I want to see grow up.

One of my friends was recently killed in a motorcycle crash. A passerby found them in the morning in some bushes near the side of the road. We don't know what time the crash occurred, or even if they died right away. This feature may have saved them.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by furyofantares »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #138
webwielder2 wrote: post #90

Why does everyone who praises Apple on HN qualify it with the fact that they don’t like Apple for other reasons? Also, Apple is probably the best corporate citizen of any company its relative size in history.

It's not specific to this place. It's an effective persuasive argument technique. Say you want to praise Apple for something. Since praising Apple to Apple fans is preaching to the choir, your target is people who are not currently huge Apple fans. So, you begin by saying "hi, I am one of you, a person who isn't a big Apple fan." Now that you've established yourself as a member of the in-group, you drop your argument…

I think it has a second persuasive characteristic, which is simply to contrast with the claimed baseline.

This second characteristic really grates on me when it comes in the form "I don't even know anything about X and even I know this is bad!" -- wherein people somehow leverage their lack of credibility on a subject as a source of authority.

But I think it works because it makes the claim bigger by changing what it's being compared to.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by kingosticks »

skygazer wrote: post #61
bt848 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Garmin. You know, the brand that is 100x more popular among bicyclists.

several garmin watches have had this feature since May (I think) of this year, requiring a paired garmin compatible phone, actively running garmin app, to work; sends text to selected contact about “incident.” Doesn’t appear to contact emergency services. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/featured-2/safety-and-trac...

The 2015 Garmin Edge Explore 1000 bike computer has this feature. By all accounts it was/is implemented poorly and triggers erroneously all the time. If they'd made it call the emergency services they'd have got in a lot of trouble.

Apple don't deserve any credit for the idea but deserve something for doing it well.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by JshWright »

mstade wrote: post #56

I just got my series 5 Apple Watch a couple of days ago, and the ECG functionality is a big part of why. There's history of heart disease in my family, and I've been to the doctor a few times with symptoms but of course when I get there they find nothing wrong. Maybe I'm a hypochondriac, who knows. Anyway, last time I went my doctor asked if I could share data from my watch, so figure I'd upgrade so I can get an actu…

By "heart disease" I assume you mean angina/heart attacks. The Apple Watch can't detect those sorts of conditions (that requires multiple ECG leads, but the watch only has one).

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by perseusmandate »

a3n wrote: post #134
webwielder2 wrote: post #90

Why does everyone who praises Apple on HN qualify it with the fact that they don’t like Apple for other reasons? Also, Apple is probably the best corporate citizen of any company its relative size in history.

> Apple is probably the best corporate citizen of any company its relative size in history. Ahem ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... They have better PR, arguably better products, and a more likeable CEO than other tech hyper-corporations. But they are fundamentally no different than any other self-aware pile of cash.

They have demonstrated a consistent commitment to user privacy that their peers have not

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by peteretep »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #111

I really want an Apple Watch for this and the EKG / Heart stuff. But I hate the idea of having another bit of technology on my wrist when I already have the iPhone with me. I like watches, the mechanical kind. I love them as the art of design and as fashion item to be match to what you are wearing (when appropriate). I do not want to give that up. In the end I will likely give in and get the Apple Watch just because…

I had an earlier model, and ditched it after I forgot to put it on one day, and realized I didn't care. Having to have it charge for a bunch each day, and it not really being designed for overnight wear (as I understand it) really hold it back.

I bought a Fitbit Charge on impulse at an airport for a couple of hundred bucks, and have worn it every day since. I think I prefer it because the battery seems to last forever, it's light-weight, and it's not doing any additional features (although I think it can) than taking my heart rate, counting my steps, and a silent alarm. Would love the EKG feature tho.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by ineedasername »

loeg wrote: post #159

> Then his helmeted head hit the ground so hard it knocked him unconscious — hard enough for his Apple Watch to feel it. > “A hit that hard could have killed me if I weren’t wearing it,” Burdett said. He had to replace the helmet. Letter to the editor: the last sentence is a non-sequitur. You have to replace a bike helmet any time it takes an impact, even if it isn't "so hard," because even if it doesn't look damaged…

I didn't know that, good to know.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by jguimont »

loeg wrote: post #159

> Then his helmeted head hit the ground so hard it knocked him unconscious — hard enough for his Apple Watch to feel it. > “A hit that hard could have killed me if I weren’t wearing it,” Burdett said. He had to replace the helmet. Letter to the editor: the last sentence is a non-sequitur. You have to replace a bike helmet any time it takes an impact, even if it isn't "so hard," because even if it doesn't look damaged…

Same goes for child car seats. Some manufacturer actually replace them for free last time I checked.
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