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If I were to use a VPN I'd stick with providers with proven track records of responding to court orders with empty logs, not the company with a CEO who capriciously kicks sites off their platform in response to online mobs. I'd also feel very uneasy with continuing to feed the consolidation of the internet's traffic. Giving full control of your phone's routing to Cloudflare is sold as improving performance, but what…

This is funny to me because CF's previous reputation was that they'd do business with anyone no matter how scummy. They're notorious for selling to both sides when criminal gangs were DDoS'ing each other. But they terminate service for a grand total of two sites and suddenly they're "capricious".

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#113
post #53

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Those are paid and this one is free?

Remember, if you're not the customer, you're the product. These days, even if you're the customer, you may still be part of the product for another kind of customer.

Yes, sure, but it's harder to convince people to pay for something monthly when there's a good (and free) alternative available.

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#114
post #45

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I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…

I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.

If size is your only criteria then you might be right, but look at the company policies on privacy. Cloudflare has some pretty specific customer-oriented privacy policies. Comcast's policies are specifically set up to sell you and your information. That's a meaningful distinction and one with some (not much, but some) legal weight in the US.

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#115
Just going to throw this out there for anyone who is hesitant using a vpn managed by another service. You can set up your own easily using the ansible scripts provided by trailofbits, which supports both IPSEC and wireguard.

https://github.com/trailofbits/algo

a small DO (Digital Ocean) instance is only $5 a month and comes with 1TB outbound bandwidth (last I checked), which ends up being cheaper than most commercial offerings.

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#116
I'm confused about who sees what IP when. I'm also confused about the bandwidth limits on plus. Having essentially two products blended together, and using new technology that behaves uniquely, makes the communication lift here that much heavier.

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#117
post #112

If I were to use a VPN I'd stick with providers with proven track records of responding to court orders with empty logs, not the company with a CEO who capriciously kicks sites off their platform in response to online mobs. I'd also feel very uneasy with continuing to feed the consolidation of the internet's traffic. Giving full control of your phone's routing to Cloudflare is sold as improving performance, but what…

This is funny to me because CF's previous reputation was that they'd do business with anyone no matter how scummy. They're notorious for selling to both sides when criminal gangs were DDoS'ing each other. But they terminate service for a grand total of two sites and suddenly they're "capricious".

Sorry but when it comes to VPN providers you have to have a pristine track record, not a couple whoopsies here and there. And I doubt that grand total is going to stay stuck at two when they're hiring Antifa supporters/members.

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#118
post #54

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Can't the same be said about any of the huge hosting companies such as OVH, Hetzner, 1&1, AWS, etc. And any VPN provider that hosts their servers and routes their traffic through unknown datacenters? I'd rather trust Cloudflare that has a great track-record (+Public Canary and are on US Privacy Shield), than any random VPN provider.

Trust with what? Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address. This is as anti-privacy VPN as a VPN can be. Which is absolutely not surprising coming from a US corporation.

It leaks IP and DNS resolvers.

It's not designed to be anonymous, but it does fully encrypt all traffic coming from your device to the internet, meaning, it's great when you don't want to trust the ISP, public Wifi or even the cell provider with your traffic.

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post #99

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Basically we should trust you because you're not facebook. Haven't you personally shut down websites because you don't like their content?

I think sharing sources would help your point.

https://www.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-criticism/

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#120
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't the same be said about any of the huge hosting companies such as OVH, Hetzner, 1&1, AWS, etc. And any VPN provider that hosts their servers and routes their traffic through unknown datacenters? I'd rather trust Cloudflare that has a great track-record (+Public Canary and are on US Privacy Shield), than any random VPN provider.

Trust with what? Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address. This is as anti-privacy VPN as a VPN can be. Which is absolutely not surprising coming from a US corporation.

> Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address

Your entire IP address or a mask to an approximate location?

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