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Re: WARP is here

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Post by trenning »

eastdakota wrote: post #41
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

Basically we should trust you because you're not facebook. Haven't you personally shut down websites because you don't like their content?

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Post by eastdakota »

throwaway9d0291 wrote: post #3

I'd really like to use this on my computer. The article says it uses the WireGuard protocol, can I just take the private key from my device, put it in a configuration file and use it?

We plan to provide desktop versions. That’s, frankly, a piece of cake compared to mobile, so the wait shouldn’t be too long.

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Post by zackbloom »

ksec wrote: post #23

Just wanted to say Thank You. I could only wish this was released a little sooner, but better late than Never. The Hong Kong people desperately need something like this to avoid ISP monitoring. I wonder if something similar is planned for Windows and Mac? P.S Regarding the 10GB, have been on the waiting list since April 1st, nothing shown up yet.

We're working our way through the waitlist now, hoping to get to everyone today. If you have an up-to-date version of the 1.1.1.1 app running you'll get a push notification when we are ready for you to opt-into WARP.

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Post by the_duke »

I can't really see the value proposition here.

Most use a VPN to add a layer of anonymity (hidden IP) and to circumvent geo blocking.

All this does is hide unencrypted traffic from the local network and maybe give a moderate speedup, but one that will probably be restricted to non-Cloudflare properties. For other properties, especially high-traffic ones with their own fancy routing logic, this will probably be more detrimental than helpful.

Admittedly a lot of people also just use VPNs because of the countless ads telling them that the Web is terribly insecure without one. I don't see this being much of a success without big ad spending.

Might work out just fine for CF, but I will pass.

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Post by mwcampbell »

slig wrote: post #53
mwcampbell wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another commenter on this thread said that there are already VPN services with Wireguard support and easy-to-use apps. Why not recommend those to friends and family?

Those are paid and this one is free?

Remember, if you're not the customer, you're the product. These days, even if you're the customer, you may still be part of the product for another kind of customer.

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Post by asdkhadsj »

ksec wrote: post #23

Just wanted to say Thank You. I could only wish this was released a little sooner, but better late than Never. The Hong Kong people desperately need something like this to avoid ISP monitoring. I wonder if something similar is planned for Windows and Mac? P.S Regarding the 10GB, have been on the waiting list since April 1st, nothing shown up yet.

Re HK, how could something like this even be used? I would have thought ISP traffic would ensure this is being blacklisted.

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Post by dgudkov »

fnordsensei wrote: post #22
zackbloom wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great eye! We haven't figured out how to expose them yet for sites not using Cloudflare. We do have some experience solving this problem for Spectrum [1] we're hoping to lean on. The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private, as that is not the intent of WARP. 1- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mmproxy-creative-way-of-preservi...

Are you going out of your way to forward the original IP to the end recipient? What's the point of that? Is it to support IP authenticated logins or similar?

For instance, to play nicely with IP whitelisting in firewalls as an additional security measure.

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Post by zackbloom »

abtinf wrote: post #55

Can someone explain the difference between warp and warp+? I’ve read the blog and the App Store description, both of which completely fail to identify the difference.

Hopefully I can! WARP uses a protocol called WireGuard to secure your Internet traffic. Your encrypted traffic flows over that protocol to the closest Cloudflare data center before it is released onto the public Internet.

WARP+ takes that one step further. Rather than releasing your traffic directly onto the Internet, we use all the data we have from our Argo product [1] to route your traffic to _another_ Cloudflare data center via the route over the Internet with the best possible performance. That data center will be closer to your traffic's destination, hopefully improving the performance. In effect your traffic will bypass Internet congestion and slow links with the goal of better time-to-first-byte performance.

1- https://www.cloudflare.com/products/argo-smart-routing/

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