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Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by bartread »

jniedrauer wrote: post #199
cbsks wrote: post #182

Well, crap. I have been avoiding smart watches like the plague but this plus the ECG may put me over the edge. My family has a history of heart disease, I commute by bike every day, and I have a young child who I want to see grow up. One of my friends was recently killed in a motorcycle crash. A passerby found them in the morning in some bushes near the side of the road. We don't know what time the crash occurred, or…

If you're in the market for a smart watch, and you're a cyclist, I'd recommend checking out Garmin. They have a massive array of sensors and record very precise data that is aggregated on Garmin Connect. It's been invaluable to me for assessing training effectiveness over time. They make Apple watches look like toys. If you want the latest and greatest, the Forerunner 945 is probably what you're looking for, but the…

NOOOOO! Do not do this.

I have a Garmin Fenix 5X and it does not make the Apple Watch look like a toy. The Apple Watch integration is seamless, the Garmin Connect integration is a joke.

Moreover the Fenix has a clunky user interface, and is bulky and ugly.

The Apple Watch absolutely trounces the Garmin in every aspect, functional and aesthetic, except for two:

1) Water resistance: it's hard to argue with the Garmin's 100M water resistance.

2) Battery life, but it only does better here by being massive (ref. previous comment about bulkiness).

Seriously, unless you're spending a lot of time in the water, and if you're able to put the watch on charge every night, buy the Apple.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by jjeaff »

girvo wrote: post #377
droopyEyelids wrote: post #355

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Unfortunately, flu vaccination has not proven to be much more effective than prayer. Fortunately, it costs about the same! but still...

Near 50% effectiveness is quite a bit better than the (in my opinion) 0% effectiveness of prayer

I think your opinion is wrong. Even placebo has a higher than 0% effectiveness.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by treden »

haoshuji wrote: post #450
neuronic wrote: post #437

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People are already refusing to call 911 or the equivalent in other countries and the reasons are manifold. For one, liability is a concern, a socially trained lack of empathy (e.g. Han Chinese), or the bystander effect.

Do you have statistical results to support your bias to say Han Chinese are lack of empathy, or just based on some news which is a small ratio by comparing with the large population?

I was also curious, maybe because the statement was a surprise. There are certainly differences between cultures, so how would you even decide which empathy distribution was the best one?

I did find a longer discussion of the topic, so it seems the idea wasn't pulled out of thin air, but it still isn't a measurement: https://chublicopinion.com/2015/12/06/the-unbearable-coldnes...

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by kingosticks »

bartread wrote: post #471
jniedrauer wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in the market for a smart watch, and you're a cyclist, I'd recommend checking out Garmin. They have a massive array of sensors and record very precise data that is aggregated on Garmin Connect. It's been invaluable to me for assessing training effectiveness over time. They make Apple watches look like toys. If you want the latest and greatest, the Forerunner 945 is probably what you're looking for, but the…

NOOOOO! Do not do this. I have a Garmin Fenix 5X and it does not make the Apple Watch look like a toy. The Apple Watch integration is seamless, the Garmin Connect integration is a joke. Moreover the Fenix has a clunky user interface, and is bulky and ugly. The Apple Watch absolutely trounces the Garmin in every aspect, functional and aesthetic, except for two: 1) Water resistance: it's hard to argue with the Garmin's…

To be totally fair you purchased the 5X, the biggest one on offer. A comparison with the 5S (6S now?) would be more reasonable.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by UweSchmidt »

djhn wrote: post #434
sh-run wrote: post #383

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When this happens it's typically due to undiagnosed cardiomyopathy (which is very difficult to detect). It's true that when something like that happens to someone they would've lived longer had they not been an endurance athlete, but most endurance athletes live about as long as their less-active peers. I get a yearly physical just to be safe, but honestly running is my favorite way to decompress and I'd need some ki…

> most endurance athletes live about as long as their less-active peers. I'd venture to say they live far longer. From the introduction of Vina & al 2016: In longitudinal studies, physically active men and women have an approximately 30% lower risk of death compared with inactive people (Schnohr et al. 2015). No upper threshold for physical activity has ever been recommended (Pate et al. 1995). In fact, in studies pe…

I suspect that generally only healthy people would become serious endurance athletes. Is that taken into account in these studies?

I also suspect lifting weights (and a bunch of other things) is important for long term health, how does that relate?

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by asutekku »

kingosticks wrote: post #474
bartread wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NOOOOO! Do not do this. I have a Garmin Fenix 5X and it does not make the Apple Watch look like a toy. The Apple Watch integration is seamless, the Garmin Connect integration is a joke. Moreover the Fenix has a clunky user interface, and is bulky and ugly. The Apple Watch absolutely trounces the Garmin in every aspect, functional and aesthetic, except for two: 1) Water resistance: it's hard to argue with the Garmin's…

To be totally fair you purchased the 5X, the biggest one on offer. A comparison with the 5S (6S now?) would be more reasonable.

Doesn’t really change the other arguments, does it?

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by asutekku »

systemtest wrote: post #443

I agree that in this particular use case it was beneficial to wear an Apple Watch. But never ever wear a watch on your motorcycle. The force and impact can mess up your wrist in a crash. If you land on the watch it can push the case into your wrist potentially breaking it. Or hook behind something. If you do insist on a watch, wear a motorcycle jacket and long gloves over it.

If you crash on a motorcycle, i’d guess your wrist is not the biggest concern of yours.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by Shivetya »

cbsks wrote: post #182

Well, crap. I have been avoiding smart watches like the plague but this plus the ECG may put me over the edge. My family has a history of heart disease, I commute by bike every day, and I have a young child who I want to see grow up. One of my friends was recently killed in a motorcycle crash. A passerby found them in the morning in some bushes near the side of the road. We don't know what time the crash occurred, or…

if the watch could be paired with an iPad I would be more willing to buy into one. currently it still is just an accessory to an iPhone and for me that removes its desirability.

I would be more than happy to buy the cell enabled versions for my parents considering what the watches can do but neither is keen on using a smart phone let alone the associated costs of buying and maintaining one

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by flatfilefan »

systemtest wrote: post #443

I agree that in this particular use case it was beneficial to wear an Apple Watch. But never ever wear a watch on your motorcycle. The force and impact can mess up your wrist in a crash. If you land on the watch it can push the case into your wrist potentially breaking it. Or hook behind something. If you do insist on a watch, wear a motorcycle jacket and long gloves over it.

Is this based on real accident statistics? If you ride motorcycle without gloves and jacket and crash you will have much more severe injuries to care about much more certainly. So I would doubt wearing a watch is a significant risk factor.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by Lio »

Until an Apple Watch is able to work with my ANT+ powermeter it's something I would avoid taking on a bike ride.

Garmin, Whahoo and other bike computers have had off crash alerts via a linked phone for, maybe, 10 years I think. Certainly since the Garmin Edge 1000 at least. That's a better fit for me as I'd never ride without my phone in a jersey pocket.

I'd always want a screen in front of me and not on my wrist.

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