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Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by kijin »

melling wrote: post #83
ineedasername wrote: post #12

I have lots of criticisms for Apple, but this is truly an amazing thing that technology has brought us to this point. This is one of the few things that has me feeling like we "live in the future"

In the future, everyone will wear a smart watch (2015): https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/in-the-future-everyo... I’m disappointed that Android Wear didn’t take off. More competition would greatly increase innovation.

More battery life would also greatly increase innovation and adoption. You shouldn't have to wonder if your watch has enough juice to last your weekend trip when you forget to bring the charger. Especially if the watch is meant to be a life-saving beacon.

Regular quartz watches can go 3-10 years between battery replacements. Solar charging can increase that to 20 years or more. Self-winding mechanical watches will last a lifetime as long as you wear them regularly and have them serviced every now and then. How long does a modern smartwatch last in comparison?

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by yipbub »

sh-run wrote: post #366
quietthrow wrote: post #346

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I think you are missing the point here completely and utterly. Compared to what the Apple Watch can do (as mention on the post and several comments) the garmin watch may be the real toy here.

That's hardly true, the two devices have very different purposes. I couldn't run an ultramarathon (or even a shorter trail race) in an apple watch. That's before we even start talking about features. The battery would die long before I finish. The FR945 that was released this year has far more features than the apple watch (including the emergency features). Even comparing the Apple Watch 4 to my FR935 (released in 2…

Sure. One helps you know cool stats, and the other helps you not die.

Not a fan of apple, but this is some cool tech.

Edit: Saw that some garmin's have crash detection too. Neither are "just" toys.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by feanaro »

Jataman606 wrote: post #405
daliusd wrote: post #400

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I think this is nothing new to worry about. Bystander effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect ) was relevant before Apple Watch.

There was a study recently that basically debunked this theory. It was done by tracking real incidents through cameras in big cities in Europe. Long story short, the more people were there the more likely that someone offers help.

The study had some serious confounding issues which were not dealt with, though. For example, determining whether the bystanders were actually friends walking together with the target of the incident.

Also, the bystander effect deals with the probability of any individual helping out. It's still possible that there are two forces at play here: the declining probability of any individual helping vs the increasing probability that someone in an ever-larger group will still help despite the individual effect. It might be the case that there is a critical value N of bystanders where the second effect overpowers the first one.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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ramonakira wrote: post #407
killjoywashere wrote: post #386

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There was a legendary cardiologist at my medical school who predicted his own demise, took a Holter monitor home with him one night, wired himself up, went to sleep, never woke up, and left his colleagues with the 12-lead trace of his death.

> the 12-lead trace of his death What does this mean?

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Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by runamok »

killjoywashere wrote: post #386
oefrha wrote: post #362

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Heart attacks are sudden and sometimes nothing could save you. My mother is a medical professional, and she told me the story about a doctor in her hospital: one morning he realized he was about to have a heart attack, called emergency services himself and left the door open; he was dead by the time the ambulance arrived, five to ten minutes later.

There was a legendary cardiologist at my medical school who predicted his own demise, took a Holter monitor home with him one night, wired himself up, went to sleep, never woke up, and left his colleagues with the 12-lead trace of his death.

I find this confusing. If he was so sure of his imminent death why not do the same thing in a hospital room where you had a chance of survival.

Unless he had this sense multiple times and was finally right this time...

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Post by wiseleo »

frabbit wrote: post #152
sdinsn wrote: post #142

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You are misrepresenting the research. The research is regarding the effect of public policy (making it illegal to bike without a helmet) on bicycle accidents. > With regard to the use of bicycle helmets, science broadly tries to answer two main questions... “what is the effect of a public health policy that requires or promotes helmets?” and... “what is the effect of wearing a helmet?” > The linked paper by Dennis an…

I am not misrepresenting the paper: it attempts to explain why countries with mandatory helmet laws see _no_clearly_measurable_reduction in KSI (Killed, Seriously Injured) rates. More cyclists wear helmets in those jurisdictions (parts of Canada, all of Australia and N.Z.) and yet ecological studies fail to clearly demonstrate any benefit from helmets. If you sprayed a field with RoundUp and saw no difference in the…

Fallen with helmet on a couple of times hard enough to require a new helmet. These falls were a non-event and so they were never reported. The lack of reporting is likely causing this.

Re: Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Watch called 911

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Post by ptmvp »

feanaro wrote: post #423
Jataman606 wrote: post #405

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There was a study recently that basically debunked this theory. It was done by tracking real incidents through cameras in big cities in Europe. Long story short, the more people were there the more likely that someone offers help.

The study had some serious confounding issues which were not dealt with, though. For example, determining whether the bystanders were actually friends walking together with the target of the incident. Also, the bystander effect deals with the probability of any individual helping out. It's still possible that there are two forces at play here: the declining probability of any individual helping vs the increasing prob…

Just a layman's guess here, but I strongly doubt the bystander effect is strong enough to overcome the chances of a single person helping. Note that for the bystander effect to happen, all the people in the vicinity have to not intervene, while for it to be defeated, it takes a single individual to act.

I doubt that as N increases the "network" effects are strong enough to overcome the chance that someone that will help, regardless of what the effect of "N-1" bystanders is, shows up.

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Post by komali2 »

sbmthakur wrote: post #410
y4mi wrote: post #406

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You might want to actually read that article daliusd. The bystander effect is just hypothesis and hasn't actually been observed to my knowledge. In the mentioned Kitty Genovese incident the numbers were inflated and while it isn't mentioned here, there actually were police reports while it was happening. They were just ignored until it was too late.

I think local laws also play some part in this. There have been cases where people who help the victims have been accused of having harmed the victims. If not that, they're hassled by Police and other investigators during the course of the investigation. This is the reason why Good Samaritan law is being brought into effect across the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

More culture than law - my personal experience is that sub cultures within rigid legal systems that do not make it a good idea to lend aid (China for example) will do so regardless because of their subculture value system.

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Post by rutierut »

daliusd wrote: post #400
solatic wrote: post #398

FTA: > As opposed to social media or GPS tracking apps, Schaeffer said the Apple Watch fall-detection feature offers extra reassurance by not relying on a person to alert first responders. We're early enough in the adoption cycle that this is an undeniable benefit. Obviously, if nobody else is around, then it's life-saving. But I do worry about the long-term ethics. What if, when such watches become common, it become…

I think this is nothing new to worry about. Bystander effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect ) was relevant before Apple Watch.

The bystander effect is probably complete nonsense, there have been some recent studies that tried to replicate its findings and they found the opposite to be true.

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Post by komali2 »

girvo wrote: post #377
droopyEyelids wrote: post #355

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Unfortunately, flu vaccination has not proven to be much more effective than prayer. Fortunately, it costs about the same! but still...

Near 50% effectiveness is quite a bit better than the (in my opinion) 0% effectiveness of prayer

That's not opinion - no study has shown prayer to have any effectiveness on flu symptoms.
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