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Re: iPadOS

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Post by wlesieutre »

nostromo wrote: post #55

I've tried to use these desktop-inspired features on iPad and they are befuddling. Using two apps at once is beyond confusing. A simple use case, like copying an address from a Safari tab into Gmail via split screen requires so many mysterious, undiscoverable gestures, I doubt almost anyone is doing that. I think Jobs was right that convergence between workstations and mobile devices requires too many sacrifices, at…

A lot of discovery on desktop computers was by hovering over stuff for tooltips or poking around in menus. Touch devices don't have that, so you get the basic functionality exposed, but other stuff isn't as discoverable.

I don't think this is as much of a problem as people make it out to be. They've managed to keep the iPad just as accessible to everyone, and they prod you occasionally with notifications from the Tips app for people who are willing to learn more.

As far as moving a URL from a Safari tab to Gmail, why not just copy and paste it? Tap once on the URL bar, the keyboard pops up with all the text selected, and there's a copy button right there. Or you can tap on the selected text to bring up the cut/copy/paste buttons.

Pressing and holding the URL to initiate a drag and then dropping in a text field also works for me, but I didn't test in Gmail. It's possible Google has some custom behavior that breaks this.

Re: iPadOS

#102

Post by gowld »

ben7799 wrote: post #3

Wow.. you can finally plug in a USB drive/card reader/camera/whatever... That alone actually takes the iPad a long way towards actually being real/Pro/whatever. I sold my first Gen iPad Pro over this stuff. It was just to painful to do a lot of real world stuff that involved files. Maybe today the experience would be a heck of a lot better.

It's amazing that "connecting a peripheral" is not considered Pro.

Remember when the Mac was the "digital hub" ? https://www.imore.com/evolution-apples-digital-hub

Re: iPadOS

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Post by duxup »

I'm guessing this is a sort of ChromeOS where the tablet world and the traditional laptop continue to merge?

Re: iPadOS

#104

Post by guelo »

lambda wrote: post #99
ckastner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Google only does it for 3 years, and that's from launch. Apple is supporting devices 5 years old. I've been buying Google phones (Nexus/Pixel) because they do get the longest support, but I still get frustrated by the fact that if I buy one late in the cycle, I only really get 2 years of support for it.

Android 10 was just released for the original Pixel which came out 6 and a half years ago in 2013.

Re: iPadOS

#105

Post by zmk_ »

Analemma_ wrote: post #48
ogre_codes wrote: post #31

When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead. When you compare it to MacOS and Windows 10 which run on 8-10 year old hardware, not as much. Of course how good Windows support is for that older hardware depends largely on OEMs and driver support and varies greatly. Linux can run on 20 year old hardware... or older?

In Apple's defense, the SOCs on iPads are improving much, much faster than PC chips. Intel chips have been getting faster at something like 5% per year for the last decade, compared to 50% for Apple's A-series. So I think supporting 5 years worth of iPad devices is somewhat comparable to supporting 20 years worth of PC hardware: in both cases it's about a 100x performance difference between the bottom and top, and be…

Microsoft supported Windows XP for 12 years, Windows 7 for 10 years (+4 years if you are willing to pay for extended support). During the lifespan of XP the Moore's law was very much working.

Re: iPadOS

#106

Post by landcoctos »

savoytruffle wrote: post #34
jdlyga wrote: post #26

I've had the iPadOS beta for a while, and it's basically just iOS 13 with some iPad specific features. There's no significant divergence yet.

A major thing that iOS doesn't have and even iPadOS 12 didn't is the ability to do a side-by-side view of two windows of the same app (two Mail windows, two Safari, two Pages, etc). Sounds pretty basic, but previously the split-screen view had to be two different apps.

iOS 12 does side by side web pages.

Re: iPadOS

#107

Post by nvrspyx »

guptaneil wrote: post #82
nvrspyx wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty sure that just hides the app as you can then swipe it back into view from the edge. The parent commenter seems to want to end the process.

There is no difference in closing vs hiding apps in iOS. When the app is hidden, the process is stopped. Yes, you can force kill the process by swiping up on the dock and then swiping away the frozen apps , but you should never do this unless the app is unresponsive. It gets you zero benefit, other than using extra battery next time you launch the app to run its initial setup again. In fact Apple originally got rid o…

> you should never do this unless the app is unresponsive

In theory, yes, but not in practice. For example, the chromecast icon sometimes disappears in Hulu, which requires killing the app and reopening to get it back. The stock Mail app used to get stuck in fetching mail and refused to refresh, again requiring you to kill the app. Facebook Messenger's text input sometimes disappears entirely, requiring you to kill the app. Some apps get badges stuck, requiring you to kill the app. The list of bugs in apps that are only remedied by killing the app goes on and on.

The iOS 12 issue was just an example of Apple being overzealous and believing there's no reason to kill an app, when even their own apps had issues that were only remedied by force quitting the apps. The uproar was well deserved.

Re: iPadOS

#108

Post by dcchambers »

toxik wrote: post #76
paultopia wrote: post #51

Has anyone tried the released version yet? Is it as buggy as (reportedly) iOS 13 is?

I swear to god, every single iOS release I see a comment lamenting how buggy the new version is in developer preview, and every time, by the time it's on my device, I never have issues.

I guess that's why they have a developer preview :)

Seems like the system is working as intended.

Re: iPadOS

#109

Post by dotdi »

I'm by all means no Apple fanboy (almost all my devices are Android-based, work laptop is a MBP) but this sure is impressive.

All of the presented features seem to be thought through and made to increase my productivity. Back in the day, I was one of the first people to own the original iPad in my country (small, central European country) and I regretted that decision almost immediately since it was just a bigger phone that I could use on the couch, albeit one that couldn't even do phone calls. I finally get the feeling that tablets get to be real devices.

Re: iPadOS

#110

Post by ascagnel_ »

Conlectus wrote: post #92

The biggest problem I've found with using my iPad pro as a full time device is that the iPad does not have a real concept of keyboard focus. This is a big deal in split-screen apps, where hard as I try I can't get my terminal emulator to accept keyboard input -- I just keep typing in Safari. Hopefully this is something that Apple addresses now that they consider iPad OS to be a real OS and not a scaled-up iOS.

What happens when you Command-tab into your terminal emulator directly?

I agree that split-screen input/output priority is wonky -- for example, if you have a video player app and Safari side-by-side and an external display connected, the video player app will only output to the display if it's the app on the left.

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