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Society pays for those who won't work? Nice promo material!
We pay for them in some way or the other... they either are on public assistance or end up in jail. We pay either way.
Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize
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[citation needed] Eliminating any motivation to perform well is of course going to discourage people who try harder for rewards. That’s basic economics. Claiming that the top performers will continue to innovate and lead when they are compensated the same as the bare minimum clock punchers is extraordinary and requires evidence. About the only place where unions are better (at least the salary negotiating US style on…
> That’s basic economics. Oh really. Because to me it sounds like a statement about human motivation patterns, and some huge assumptions about it that are, quite often, wrong. Just like cats, humans can be motivated by: * food (or food-equivalents in the form of flipping some bits in a bank) * social interaction (60% of cats as long as not starved!) ...also, unlike cats (AFAIK), but very frequently (also AFAIK) human…
Lol. I think you need to look up what the study of economics is.
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Do you have to go into the office or do you work remote?
I live a couple blocks from the office, so I go in. There are a couple people on the team who work remote, though. Big 5 tech companies are pretty great.
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Ummm. HCL (google contractor) is making a ton of money... they did 1.4 BILLION in net income. Stock price from 76 to 1,000 INR. They are doing fine working for google. I'm not aware of almost anyone (network infra contractors / team build soft touch providers) who historically haven't been paid very reasonably for their work working for google. And Google does business with contractors who have unionized employees. I…
Okay, on your first point: You're comparing two very, very different things. For the sake of assuming you're not the one trolling here: Employee salary is different from company income. A company can be paid very well for their work, and then not properly compensate their workforce for that work. Hence, unionization. For your second point: The intent of this article, which I hope you have read by now, specifically ta…
This constant insistence that google contractors are being paid $30K to do work that $171K engineers are doing in the same geo area is totally false. That does not happen. I am open to a specific example, but I'm not aware of one.
To be a google contractor you need a contract that has google's name on it (or Google LLC etc). That is the literal definition of being a google contractor. You get a 1099 from google. If this describes you - you are, on average, paid well.
Google flies on US airlines with highly paid and unionized pilots - I don't think they care.
Are you confusing google contractors with employees of a large non-google business?
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At least two other data points - I have a friend who worked in a govt agency - doing cool and important work - she left because of the unfirable lifers - while the stories are funny you can’t go to work and perform well in that situation. In high school teacher X was notorious for giving no work and no s*its. He missed lots of his classes so always subs. We thought it was cool (usually easy A). He was there years but…
Cool, you have two stories of slackers on a job. What relevance does that have to the discussion?
"People on the upper end will not stop contributing or trying".
I was interested in the citation for this given the anecdotal info I had which involved high performing folks trying to find more rewarding work elsewhere.
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I heard anti-union rhetoric in college when people were wondering why it cost so much to set up A/V in a lecture hall. If you haven't heard any, I'm not sure whether to tell you that you've lived a sheltered life or you've so internalized the anti-union rhetoric (like your comment, right here! ) that it doesn't register when you hear it. Also, I'm very confused about your "liberal areas" comment. My impression as a r…
The NYT, a fairly left-leaning paper in a left-leaning city, wrote about how the union is causing cost explosion building the second avenue subway. As to the funding—New York’s MTA has a significantly larger budget than London’s very similar system. London, meanwhile, covers 100% of its operating costs from fares, while New York covers just half.
I think American "left" and the Left everywhere else are entirely different things. As a leftie in the UK, I do not recognise the NYT as left at all.
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#417Not to say, but historically, the only parties against unions are fascist and nazy, two far right mouvements. As such, they didn't be concerned so much with workers status and wellbeing than the corporate interest financing their parties. The only reason a member of the working class to be against union is because they are either paid to be so or because they have been brainwashed by anti-union messaging. As I said s…
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FANNG?
Those are not the “big 5” in tech by any measure. FANG was an acronym that specifically related to stock returns at the time.
* Admittedly would swap Netflix with Microsoft in the FAANG acronym.
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FANNG?
Those are not the “big 5” in tech by any measure. FANG was an acronym that specifically related to stock returns at the time.
How is it that everyone that I talk to, knows what I am talking about when I say those words, but apparently you don't?