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Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

wind0w wrote: post #78
corebit wrote: post #59

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Whoa! Talk about an overtly racist post! How is this not flagged?!

Criticizing how white men use their whiteness to preserve their exclusive access to money and power isn't racist

Try substituting "white" for another race in your sentence and see how that sounds:

> Criticizing how Jewish men use their Jewishness to preserve their exclusive access to money and power isn't racist

If the sentence sounds bad, and that most certainly does, then the original is racist.

Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize

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Post by ShadowKitten »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #264
tokai wrote: post #257

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Unions have been have been suppressed for over 150 years. At least they have stopped killing unionist.

Over the course of the early 20th century, unions got laws passed that violate the rights of employers, in order to give themselves enormous leverage over every capital-intensive work site where a large number of workers concentrate, and they attained a complete stranglehold over all major industries by the 1950s, and all the while, they've had the public at large convinced that they're the underdog.

>unions got laws passed that violate the rights of employers

lol this is precious

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Post by rayiner »

anigbrowl wrote: post #237
rayiner wrote: post #161

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Given OP’s reference to anti-union ideology being “inculcated” I was thinking Of authoritative sources. When was the last time you heard an anti union screed from a politician? (Versus anti corporate screeds?)

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump I’ll never get the support of Dues Crazy union leadership, those people who rip-off their membership with ridiculously high dues, medical and other expenses while being paid a fortune. But the members love Trump. They look at our record economy, tax & reg cuts, military etc. WIN! 7:32 AM - 29 Apr 2019 inb4 'Trump isn't a politician'.

Fair enough. I don’t read Twitter.

Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize

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Post by CryptoPunk »

anigbrowl wrote: post #290
CryptoPunk wrote: post #276

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Trump is almost certainly anti-union himself given he has been an employer most of his life but his comment is not anti-union ideology. If it were he would not be careful about which segment of the union he's criticizing and he would not have positive things to say about their members.

Divide and conquer is one of the oldest tactics around but by all means keep parsing it. I have better things to do than collect and submit examples to see whether they meet Rayiner's occult standard of conversational admissibility.

I'm not disputing that at all, I'm just saying that that his statement doesn't demonstrate a pervasiveness of anti-union ideology. In fact it's showing some weariness of coming out too strongly against unions because of popular support for them. Such popular support wouldn't exist if anti-union ideology was widely accepted.

Re: Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contractor's vote to unionize

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Post by darren0 »

I don't understand how a contractor unionizing gives them any more power over Google. Either which way they are a contractor and have to negotiate a contract. This article seems to imply the workers have an issue with Google, but unionizing just gives them power over HCL. So are they not happy with HCL?

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Post by viburnum »

oh_sigh wrote: post #95
viburnum wrote: post #72

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Nordic social democracy isn’t magic, it’s just what you get when most workers are in a union.

Congo has about the same population as Norway. I wonder if you'd get the same results if most people were unionized there.

When Norway’s labor movement started it was a desperately poor country, so poor that roughly half its population had recently emigrated to America. Some scholars think that the capitalist class felt it had to concede a little to labor or it would simply all move away. There’s some evidence for this in the way elites started promoting free education during that time.

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Post by CryptoPunk »

ShadowKitten wrote: post #322
CryptoPunk wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the course of the early 20th century, unions got laws passed that violate the rights of employers, in order to give themselves enormous leverage over every capital-intensive work site where a large number of workers concentrate, and they attained a complete stranglehold over all major industries by the 1950s, and all the while, they've had the public at large convinced that they're the underdog.

>unions got laws passed that violate the rights of employers lol this is precious

I think you should do a little research to get a basic familiarity with what labor laws relating to union action prohibit. You'll find that they blatantly violate the contracting rights of employers.

Snickering at me while being unaware of such a basic fact is deplorable.

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Post by cortesoft »

ci5er wrote: post #299
turtlecloud wrote: post #241

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With UBI that should remove the lazy ones who are stuck in those type of positions.

Society pays for those who won't work? Nice promo material!

We pay for them in some way or the other... they either are on public assistance or end up in jail. We pay either way.

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Post by ci5er »

cortesoft wrote: post #328
ci5er wrote: post #299

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Society pays for those who won't work? Nice promo material!

We pay for them in some way or the other... they either are on public assistance or end up in jail. We pay either way.

You have a preference?

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Post by erik_seaberg »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56
staticautomatic wrote: post #47

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One can be pro-organizing but not pro-union.

One should be both , with a careful eye towards aggressive governance and transparency of your union. No different than if you have equity ownership in a startup, the only difference is that you’re selling your time collectively instead of a product. Unions are just corporations for labor sales. If you don’t like your management, replace them with your vote.

Unions are monopolies on labor. Any competition could help to damp their excesses.
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