9/11 in the Archive.
Go look at all the news websites on September 10th, 2001... and back about a month or two. All empty until 9/11.
The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
The IA actually has a DMCA exemption for the pirated games: https://archive.org/about/dmca.php
Pretty sure that temporary exemption expired and was not renewed.
The exemption was renewed in 2006 and in 2010 (the would-be-2009 decision was delivered late), but was not renewed in 2012.
That said, the exemption was to allow legally bypassing the copy-protection mechanisms; that were preventing otherwise-legal copying. Once they bypassed the mechanism to get a non-copy-protected copy in 2003-2012, they may continue distributing copies of it now, since the act of copying was/is legal; it's the act of breaking the DRM that is once again forbidden.
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#113I like that the internet archive exists, but I don't like how they implement their opt-out policy. Sites can opt-out at any time, which I suppose is the correct thing to allow, but once they opt out then everything the Archive has gathered up to that point also goes away, which seems wrong.
It doesn’t go away, it’s just not public. This is to comply with copyright law. It’s still safely stored on disk.
It doesn't make then compliant [with UK law, at least], it just makes them appear to be. Copyright covers copying, the copying has already been done, and the copies are being retained: meaning any infringement is ongoing. They're just hiding their probable infringement.
I'm more than happy for them to do that btw, but I do have strong reservations about letting anyone "archive" a site and offer it to the public. This is an area that's needs legislative development IMO.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty sure that temporary exemption expired and was not renewed.
The exemption was renewed in 2006 and in 2010 (the would-be-2009 decision was delivered late), but was not renewed in 2012. That said, the exemption was to allow legally bypassing the copy-protection mechanisms; that were preventing otherwise-legal copying. Once they bypassed the mechanism to get a non-copy-protected copy in 2003-2012, they may continue distributing copies of it now, since the act of copying was/is l…
Distributing copyright works without a license is usually infringing though.
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#115> But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiv…
>An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding.
100%. It reduces the entire point to just voluntarily donating to your favourite think tank or political party, not an "archive".
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, a library is a specific legal context that does allow it to do many things similar to what you're describing. It can't steal movies for archiving, but it certainly can purchase and share legally procured copies. Digital sharing is an admittedly more complex minefield...
In USA. I assume that's where you're talking about. In UK certain libraries can archive (British Library) following a recent change in the law, IIRC. People wanting to access the archive may only do so by physically visiting the library. AFAICT archive.org are flouting copyright law around the World already, they should continue to be cautious about assuming rights IMO.
Archive.org is an accredited library.
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#117> But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiv…
>An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding. 100%. It reduces the entire point to just voluntarily donating to your favourite think tank or political party, not an "archive".
I'd rather not have a manual for starting a neo-nazi race war archived to be honest
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn’t go away, it’s just not public. This is to comply with copyright law. It’s still safely stored on disk.
It doesn't make then compliant [with UK law, at least], it just makes them appear to be. Copyright covers copying, the copying has already been done, and the copies are being retained: meaning any infringement is ongoing. They're just hiding their probable infringement. I'm more than happy for them to do that btw, but I do have strong reservations about letting anyone "archive" a site and offer it to the public. This…
The Internet Archive has no physical presence in the UK to my knowledge.
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#119If they really want to be trusted as a source of truth, they need to find a way to publish cryptographic signatures of every page that can be validated to prove that the page was captured when they say it was. Maybe some sort of blockchain. Otherwise there's no reason to trust that an Internet Archive snapshot is an accurate representation of the archived page.
I think that's included in the WARC format.
OK: it's an optional field, "checksum", but not a formal has. As of v. 0.9:
http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/warc_file_format-...
I haven't checked the drafts specs for further progress, but that's here:
http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/
IA are instrumental in developing WARC, use it as their archival format (non-WARC web archives are ... generally not acceptable), and it's been adopted by US Library of Congress and other institutions as a standard.
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#120OT: the FT's paywall appears to have opened up, apparently in general, not just for HN referrers.
I'd previously been using the archive.is / archive.fo workaround.
The FT is among the very highest-quality mainstream/establishment news publications, and is well worth the subscription, if you can afford it. It will reward your attention even if not.
Update: this is a one-day promo: