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Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by hsod » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 12:54 AM UTC

skyyler wrote: post #340

burtonator wrote: post #252

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He could probably help with these accusations by releasing his tax returns. :)

I don't follow US politics. How would that help? Legitimate question.

The public presently has very little information about Trump’s personal financials. He has refused to release his tax returns despite long precedent and intense political pressure. His excuses for this have been very weak.

The idea is that the reason for this secrecy is that he is hiding something which would be politically damaging, such as the long-rumored (and denied) financial links to Russian oligarchs

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by mirimir » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 12:54 AM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #343

mirimir wrote: post #318

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I think that he should have dumped everything. Or at least, everything that didn't put individuals at risk. I get where he was coming from. But the people in charge of releasing stuff seem too clueless and/or deferential.

Dumping all of it online would have been like wikileaks, which I think would've been a mistake in that Wikileaks have been very open about aiming to use there releases to influence politics rather than merely releasing for the sake of knowledge e.g. "Maximum political impact" which does make them less credible (Aside from the dubious links to and decision not to criticise russia)

But isn't it less biased to dump it all?

With the only reason for not releasing being risk to arguably ~innocent individuals.

Also, it's relevant to note that Holocaust investigators have not redacted names of ~responsible individuals from their releases. Indeed, they've targeted them.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by hsod » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 12:57 AM UTC

aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #335

SomeOldThrow wrote: post #291

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The criticisms will occur at this point no matter what he does. I would actually bet he welcomes the talk as a distraction from his easy to prosecute crimes.

What crimes has Donald committed?

Campaign finance violations (his personal lawyer is currently sitting in jail for an illegal campaign contribution he carried out at the direction of Donald trump). Obstruction of justice is pretty well documented in the mueller report. Those are just the obvious ones

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by samstave » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 12:59 AM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #341

jstewartmobile wrote: post #311

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if OC weren't flagged, we could see samstave's tie-in. my tie-in would be that we are ruled by evil people, and could really use an army of snowdens.

True, I couldn't read the OP's post. And yes, there's no shortage of f*cked up people in the world in positions of power who's actions affect the rest of us but we don't need an "army of Snowdens". No "army of Snowdens" will save us from ourselves. There is no master plan, no global conspiracy, no deep state or ancient secret society behind the scenes working toward some nefarious goal that only the select sinister f…

Actually I disagree, as a Centurion Mayan Order member (think 33rd master mason) there is a definite litany of secret societies who understand and rule thought manipulation more than you think....

I’m happy to link you to some lessons which that secret society gave out... if you want to see what they teach...

Have you been to the George Washington Masonic temple in DC

Look in the auditorium at all of the busts of us presidents who were master masons....

The only one whom I don’t think is going to be on that list is trump

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by Retric » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:00 AM UTC

skyyler wrote: post #340

burtonator wrote: post #252

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He could probably help with these accusations by releasing his tax returns. :)

I don't follow US politics. How would that help? Legitimate question.

Many suspect he is deeply in debt to and sustained by various Russian banks. A positive cash flow would dispel some of that concern.

I personally doubt he is, but it’s a more reasonable concern considering how unwilling he is to disclose his financial situation.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by eternalban » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:02 AM UTC

bb88 wrote: post #42

excalibur wrote: post #28

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Try the 4th Amendment: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If you're an originalist (and I'm not saying that I am), data in transmit is not necessarily protected by that amendment If your data has left your house, is it really your data, or is it Google's say?

"It’s a question fit for Benjamin Franklin.

Prior to the American Revolution, Franklin had been the postmaster for the British Crown, establishing postal delivery routes throughout the colonies. In the early days, it was only official government communications that passed through the post, and it was “sealed against inspection”.

Later, when the mail could be used by citizens, carriers would regularly read others’ mail along their long routes for entertainment.

Franklin, eager to maintain the sanctity of the mail in a time of political upheaval, developed a set of regulations and affixed locks to postal carriers’ saddle bags. Franklin’s early regulations became part of the basis for privacy law, as did the Fourth Amendment rule about unreasonable searches, which the Framers certainly intended to cover postal mail."

source: https://slate.com/technology/2013/06/nsa-surveillance-why-th...

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by CamperBob2 » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:03 AM UTC

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #325

cmiles74 wrote: post #314

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This is what you get when whistleblowers have no protections. If we don't want to see this happen again in the future, the answer is to protect people coming forward with information about abuses.

Whistleblowers do have protections. I was just looking this up the other day- there are proper ways to report this even for matters that deal with classified information. He didn't do that. https://www.dodig.mil/Components/Administrative-Investigatio...

Yes, we appear to be seeing that "protection" scenario play out right now, as a matter of fact, where an acting DNI is actively running interference for the Trump administration.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by Thriptic » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:06 AM UTC

elhudy wrote: post #303

xodice wrote: post #284

Jesus, who the fuck cares about what Snowden released. I am more sad people aren't way up in arms about WHAT WE LEARNED. (Yes, I understand that sentence makes itself not make sense, but you get my point. Rushed and on mobile, but this pissed me off.) Thank you Snowden, and fuck you U.S. Government. - A U.S. Citizen

Snowden "...carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over" What was released (and how), and what we learned are two separate issues. As a U.S. citizen, it's preferable that the subjective legitimacy of what best serves public interest is not in the hands of ON…

If you're concerned about the best interest of the public and US citizens then maybe you should spend less time worrying about Snowden and more time worrying about the NSA's inadequate monitoring, life cycle, and DLP practices. Billions of dollars were lost and countless orgs were negatively affected by the release of Eternal Blue alone.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by samstave » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:07 AM UTC

weare138 wrote: post #308

jstewartmobile wrote: post #277

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I'll add this to samstave's cause: I read something by Yoichi Shimatsu (a while back) that was along the same lines of what samstave originally posted. Shimatsu tied MIT and the pedo ring together through Nicholas Negroponte and Bernard Krisher. Didn't really believe it at the time. Yet in the light of 2019--after Saville, Rochdale, Epstein, and all of these CSAIL guys >>knowingly Then to read with shock and disbelie…

No offense, but what does this have to do with Snowden?

Its a giant fucking puzzle and it takes a lot of awareness and attention plus retention to see how all this shit fits together.

The pedopaths have coopted many industries, tech being just one of the most important ones....

Snowden revealed tools used by deep state AND pedopaths to share, monitor and control their invisibility.

Re: United States Files Civil Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden

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Post by samstave » Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:14 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #350

weare138 wrote: post #341

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True, I couldn't read the OP's post. And yes, there's no shortage of f*cked up people in the world in positions of power who's actions affect the rest of us but we don't need an "army of Snowdens". No "army of Snowdens" will save us from ourselves. There is no master plan, no global conspiracy, no deep state or ancient secret society behind the scenes working toward some nefarious goal that only the select sinister f…

Here was my post —— Also if you enable “read dead” in your prefs on hn you will still see flagged and dead posts: —- -2 points by samstave 3 hours ago | parent [flagged] [-] | on: US Files Lawsuit Against Edward Snowden for Violat... Snowden is a national hero. Period. I don’t care what any one thinks otherwise, but we would be a more authoritarian and fascist place without Snowden, Schwartz, (whom YC funded and he w…

Think about Hastings. Suicided.

Barnaby Jack, suicided.

Barnaby. Was going to reveal how various med devices were hackable, such as pacemakers and med pumps... at defcon.

He was suicided in SF because he was (like most of us tech folk) was a recreational drug user (don’t fucking lie, you were all high as fuck at burning man, again)

So how simple to kill a motherfucker than to suicide him via OD before he told the wold how easy it was to remotely kill someone with a pacemaker.... or pump in the ICU...