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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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TulliusCicero wrote: post #35
sasasassy wrote: post #14

I've heard the theory that in countries where women are more dependent, like Muslim countries, they have much higher levels of enrolment exactly to be able to escape their dependency on male family members. Similarly in poorer countries, like India and ex-Soviet republics, the enrolment for the sciences versus arts is larger than the rest of the world.

At least in the US there are substantially more women in university than men: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-me... > Where men once went to college in proportions far higher than women—58 percent to 42 percent as recently as the 1970s—the ratio has now almost exactly reversed. > This fall, women will comprise more than 56 percent of students on campuses nationwide, according to the U.S. Dep…

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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

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Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by air7 »

thereyougo wrote: post #10

Two months ago I went to a journey called the 'Mongol Rally' which is basically a race when you need to drive from the Czech Republic to Mongolia in a shitty car Because I'm from Israel my team couldn't get into Iran but other teams got into Iran and all of them were extremely surprised. Iranians know how to welcome tourists, they were extremely friendly, the food is delicious, the country is beautiful, and many peop…

Wow the Mongol Rally sounds amazing. Can I get in touch to ask you about it?

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Double_a_92 »

greggman2 wrote: post #58
tasogare wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy Exactly. What is observable in Japan, where a decent job can still provide for a whole family, is that more than half of women choose to be stay-at-home mom. This is not a plot of "the Patriarchy" but something that make sense for them. On the other side, the current trend in the West to promote women and foreigner work under the diversity…

is that the entire story? there is a pole every year whether a man could handle having a woman as a boss. In Japan it's still 70-80% say "no". Many Japanese women might choose to stay home but many effectively have few other choices more anecdata: a Japanese friend of mine moved back to Japan (Tokyo) after 10 years in the states to raise her 2 kids. She tried to get a job and was told "go home and take care of your k…

I guess the issue for those japanese companies was not that they don't want women, or think that women should only be moms. It's that she was indeed a mom that had to take care of their kids (I assume since you didn't mention any stay-at-home partner). In that situation she was not able to wageslave her life away for the company.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Sharlin »

tasogare wrote: post #45
curiousgal wrote: post #41

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I can only speak for Tunisia but the reason women go into STEM is purely economical. STEM jobs pay the most. The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy, who wouldn't want to not deal with spaghetti code if money was not an issue?

> The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy Exactly. What is observable in Japan, where a decent job can still provide for a whole family, is that more than half of women choose to be stay-at-home mom. This is not a plot of "the Patriarchy" but something that make sense for them. On the other side, the current trend in the West to promote women and foreigner work under the diversity…

That must be one of the worst cases of confusing correlation with causation that I've ever seen.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by yyyk »

Rapzid wrote: post #56
yyyk wrote: post #15

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Iran bans females from attending sports events and imposes mandatory hijab (e.g. [0]), Turkey does not. You can oppose Western policy if you like, but lets talk about the country's policies as they really are. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/iranian-female...

It hasn't been quite 100 years since women got the vote in the USA.. Women's rights are the way up in Iran. I think the implicit comparison here is to Israel and Saudi Arabia. The later of which our leadership seems to have nothing but good things to say even after 9/11, Khashoggi, and Yemen(with weapons from us).

Women's rights are on the way up in Iran? Perhaps, I can't recall any basis for it. Maybe this will happen in the long term, but that's almost an empty statement.

Now, condemning SA is perfectly justified. But 'look over there' isn't a helpful argument re: Iran. It sounds like the same hypocrisy the US government does, except the US government at least has some foreign policy justification for it (Iran being more powerful and more hostile to US), while commenters are just being contrarian.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by Double_a_92 »

yyyk wrote: post #15
quotz wrote: post #6

Actually, most of Western opinion about Iran is misguided and plain wrong. Iran is really not as terrible as all the propaganda about it. In fact its quite much like Turkey, except the politicians are better and its not as corrupt.

Iran bans females from attending sports events and imposes mandatory hijab (e.g. [0]), Turkey does not. You can oppose Western policy if you like, but lets talk about the country's policies as they really are. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/iranian-female...

> Iran bans females from attending sports events and imposes mandatory hijab

But would that really be that terrible in the grad scheme of things? Would you not wear a mandatory hat and renounce on sport events if everything else was faily good? This only seems like massive oppression from our privileged western view.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by skitout »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #55
skrebbel wrote: post #18

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I was born in 1983 in the Netherlands. My mom, and all my friends' moms, were housewives. About half of these moms were university educated or comparably. All their daughters now have proper jobs. Sounds like Iran is roughly in the same place now, which I assume is a big improvement over some decades ago. Just give it another generation. Anecdotally, I've tought some CS classes at the local university, to a highly mi…

If you were to look at Iran before the revolution, you'd find them as liberal as most and more so than many parts of the West - the Catholic nations - in the same era. So it's only improvement if you're looking at post-revolutionary Iran. Extend timeline a little further back and it's a giant leap backwards.

I think I read somewhere that revolution actually boosted girl literacy and girl attendance to school and high school because most of Iran outside big cities was very conservative and did not trust secular school...

I think there were and there is huge difference between some area in Tehran and different places in the countryside

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by joelbluminator »

jaredklewis wrote: post #42
csomar wrote: post #33

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> The problem in Iran is their politicians and the image created around the radical Iranian regime I have another view: The problem with Iran is the USA siding with Saudi Arabia. Both Iran and S.A. are radical islamists countries (one could even argue that S.A. is worse). But somehow Iran is portrayed as evil and S.A. is given a blank check. I'm 95% certain that Iran politicians will hail U.S.A if they were to change…

> Both Iran and S.A. are radical islamists countries (one could even argue that S.A. is worse). What argument could there possibly be that Iran is “worse” than S.A.? As bad as things like human rights are in Iran, they are far worse in SA. The democracy index ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index ) rates SA a half point lower than Iran, which is fairy significant. Freedom house also rates SA as less free…

Well Iran is anti west (especially anti U.S) and S.A is happy to cooperate with the West as long as it can keep it's current regime. So in western eyes Iran is dangerous and S.A is mostly an ally. This isn't necessarily supposed to be "fair", if Iran doesn't like the current state of affairs it can abandon it's expansionist aspirations and nuclear weapons, stop with the "Death to America" mindset and all sanctions would be removed. But the regime doesn't want to give it up.

Re: Women make up 54% of new students entering Iranian universities

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Post by AmericanChopper »

greggman2 wrote: post #58
tasogare wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The way I see it, a lack of women in STEM is a symptom of a healthy economy Exactly. What is observable in Japan, where a decent job can still provide for a whole family, is that more than half of women choose to be stay-at-home mom. This is not a plot of "the Patriarchy" but something that make sense for them. On the other side, the current trend in the West to promote women and foreigner work under the diversity…

is that the entire story? there is a pole every year whether a man could handle having a woman as a boss. In Japan it's still 70-80% say "no". Many Japanese women might choose to stay home but many effectively have few other choices more anecdata: a Japanese friend of mine moved back to Japan (Tokyo) after 10 years in the states to raise her 2 kids. She tried to get a job and was told "go home and take care of your k…

This is quite a well established phenomenon, which highlights that a lot of gender gaps in developed countries really just comes down to choices that people make knowingly and freely.

> Paradoxically, the sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose with increases in national gender equality

> A mediation analysis suggested that life-quality pressures in less gender-equal countries promote girls’ and women’s engagement with STEM subjects

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/095679761774171...

Japan might not be a great example, but the Nordic countries are.

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