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Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by scottlocklin »

chimi wrote: post #174
scottlocklin wrote: post #162

It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israel…

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

Well, they regularly sell US secrets to China, so I don't think they really give two shits about "hurting the US."

Examples:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-s...

https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israe...

I could be wrong! Maybe selling US secrets to china is to ensure the USA is still on their side? I'm not a politician; it's above my paygrade.

Somehow other US allies don't have these sorts of "hey let's spy on our friends" impulses. FWIIW the US just had an all-hands freak out over Russia spending a few grand on FB ads during the last presidential election; I'm pretty sure if it ever got out what the Israelis are doing out in the open to influence US elections (such as attempting to kick Israel critic politicians out of office), that would do even more harm to US-Israel relations than any single politician could.

I also think they can do just fine without US support. They have Jericho missiles capable of reaching LA. Technically this makes all US financial support of Israel illegal. I mean why would they risk all that needed support and build nukes capable of blowing up the US?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

"Blood libel" has a specific meaning, and this isn't it. Not even close.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by TKWasRight »

chimi wrote: post #174
scottlocklin wrote: post #162

It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israel…

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

> Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself.

Why should we care as US citizens?

> I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

I don't think we'll ever see that here in the U.S. unfortunately...the "Israel Lobby" wouldn't let it happen.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by scottlocklin »

chimi wrote: post #176
age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

> Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain Without support from the USA, Israel would LOSE everything .

I dunno, they have Jericho missiles with nukes capable of reaching Los Angeles; I think they'll be fine without US financial support. Which, BTW, is against the NPT because they have nukes.

https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/09/16/american...

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by chubasco »

chimi wrote: post #174
scottlocklin wrote: post #162

It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israel…

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

Is it just me or does that sound an awful lot like a foreign government interfering in U.S. elections?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by adventured »

age_bronze wrote: post #196
chimi wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

Let me get this straight: Israel risks pissing the U.S by spying on them, which can lead to them cutting ties with Israel, in order to make sure that US does not cut its ties with Israel. Would you risk spying on your girlfriend to make sure she wants to stay your girlfriend? This makes no sense.

> Would you risk spying on your girlfriend to make sure she wants to stay your girlfriend? This makes no sense.

It's interesting that you mention that one, because that is exactly what people sometimes do. You will find that very needy or jealous people frequently get easily concerned and obsessive about every little detail, worried that their partner may leave or lose interest. They get paranoid, they spy, etc. They make the situation worse, push the person away faster with their behavior, and create a self-fulfilling prophecy outcome.

You might risk spying on your significant other (to make sure they're going to stay your SO), if your life depended - in part or entirely - on them staying your significant other. In relationships that's going to rarely be the case of course. Although consider a case of total financial dependency in a relationship.

Israel is the very needy, dependent partner in the relationship, clearly. Without the US, they would not have survived.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

partialrecall wrote: post #182
flyinglizard wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying that radical Islam would embrace USA’s existence without its support of Israel is delusional. USA stands against everything they believe in. It just reeks of appeasement.

I thought this "they hate us for our freedoms" line of reasoning went out of style 15+ years ago.

Maybe it went out of style, but it's not entirely wrong...

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

uasm wrote: post #52

No proof, no citations, no names. A lot of third person language. Anonymous "former officials". Great journalism right there!

On this kind of topic, those who know won't say if it's on the record. You're lucky for them to say when it's not on the record.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by age_bronze »

scottlocklin wrote: post #204
chimi wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain Without support from the USA, Israel would LOSE everything .

I dunno, they have Jericho missiles with nukes capable of reaching Los Angeles; I think they'll be fine without US financial support. Which, BTW, is against the NPT because they have nukes. https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/09/16/american...

Great comment, if anyone else needed any better confirmation that this scottlocklin dude is some anti-semite, there you have it. Expected nothing less from you.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by scottlocklin »

age_bronze wrote: post #209
scottlocklin wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, they have Jericho missiles with nukes capable of reaching Los Angeles; I think they'll be fine without US financial support. Which, BTW, is against the NPT because they have nukes. https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/09/16/american...

Great comment, if anyone else needed any better confirmation that this scottlocklin dude is some anti-semite, there you have it. Expected nothing less from you.

So... it is antisemitic to notice that the Jericho-2 missile, equipped with nukes is capable of reaching LA? It is, you know! This is a fact.

https://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/jericho-2.htm

Also, it is illegal for the US to give foreign aid to non NPT compliant countries. Israel is a non-NPT compliant country.

I've been on here for years; under my real name. You just showed up shouting about Israel. Are you a Hasabra troll being paid to do this?

https://left.wikia.org/wiki/Hasbara_troll

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