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Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by henryfjordan »

Udik wrote: post #92
wbl wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spying is part of life. We do it, they do it, everybody foes it.

When was the last time that British or German spies were caught spying on the US president? And even in that case, the relationship between the US and Israel is a unique one: as one swears to be the best friend ever of the other, while enjoying lavish funding and unwavering political protection. While the president of the US can accuse people who vote for the opposition to be disloyal to Israel . That is, disloyal to…

How about the other way around? The US got caught spying on Germany a while back

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-usa-spying-idUSKC...

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by yasp »

lostlogin wrote: post #151
tonyarkles wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last line of the article: > As for Israel’s recent surveillance of the White House, one of the former senior U.S. intelligence officials acknowledged it raised security concerns but joked, “On the other hand, guess what we do in Tel Aviv?”

Interesting that the quote mentions Tel Aviv and not Jerusalem.

Why is that interesting?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by age_bronze »

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion.

Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish blood libels, the "jews control everything and are omnipotent".

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by chimi »

scottlocklin wrote: post #162

It's not like the Israelis haven't done this before and not paid any consequences for it. 2000: https://www.wrmea.org/000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught... 2015 caught greasing politicians: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-co... 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/08spy.html 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial... 2014: https://www.newsweek.com/israel…

Without support from the USA, it would not be possible for Israel to defend itself. Much of their spying on the USA is not to harm the USA, but to ensure the USA is still on their side. I don't think they want to hurt the USA, but I do think they would support an opponent of a politician that had been "heard" expressing a lack of interest in financial and military support for Israel.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by zed88 »

Tbh...with the kind of politics in the world, I won't be surprised if US is doing the same to Israelis or some other country.

Another example would be Turkey bugging the Saudi Embassy in Khashoggi killing.

But the other thing that irks me is how easily one can get labelled an antisemite for an honest cricism of Israeli politics.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by chimi »

age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

> Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain

Without support from the USA, Israel would LOSE everything.

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Post by partialrecall »

age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

Do you really doubt the guilt of Jonathan Pollard? That's a new one...

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by ur-whale »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #133
ur-whale wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do a startup that puts news on the blockchain. Include SHA512 of pictures and video of eyewitnesses of said piece of news.

What if a deepfake got in your blockchain?

Good point, but at least for now, video deepfakes can still be detected via machine learning.

Also, deepfakes work well for replacing faces, but not yet for synthesizing actual videos of complex scenes (like crowds) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZkLVBhcig

But then you're right, it won't take long before that's possible. Whether we can continue sniffing out deepfakes with ML is unclear.

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by age_bronze »

chimi wrote: post #176
age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

> Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain Without support from the USA, Israel would LOSE everything .

Exactly, why would you ever risk that? Would hearing trump talk to whatever on the phone, worth the huge risk? You can talk to him yourself, why would you ever risk pissing the US off for just that?

Re: Israel accused of planting mysterious spy devices near the White House

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Post by age_bronze »

partialrecall wrote: post #177
age_bronze wrote: post #173

Blood libel. I've yet to see one real evidence for real spying, not some black cube (who are greedy pieces of shit, but are not part of Israel government), or some boogeyman story of possible suspicion. Truth is, Israel barely has anything to gain while it has so much to lose from such espionage. It's not worth it. US is just so damn paranoid, that it will never believe that. These allegations are the new jewish bloo…

Do you really doubt the guilt of Jonathan Pollard? That's a new one...

No, I think the lesson was learned. Why would you risk such a backlash again?
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