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Lol I find that extremely hard to believe. I would bet every dollar I had that we (the US) do spy on Israeli soil.
Last line of the article: > As for Israel’s recent surveillance of the White House, one of the former senior U.S. intelligence officials acknowledged it raised security concerns but joked, “On the other hand, guess what we do in Tel Aviv?”
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>Israel is the boss, US is the muscle >If you try to end it, you'll be called antisemites, Holocaust deniers, etc. until you submit. >> this has absolutely been my observation as well Have you considered that you've been called antisemites because you are. Not because you have experience with "try[ing] to end it" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisem... US is not controlled by Israel and you're…
Israel has unreasonable influence in the US. Speaking against them in any way can be career suicide for American politicians. Dismissing criticism of Israel and the Israeli lobby as anti Semitic is just an attempt to control the conversation, nothing more.
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Nothing about this article seems untrustworthy. Politico is a highly trustworthy paper that had real reporters who talk to real people all over the US government and it references real events and people and papers all throughout this article. Your comment seems out of place.
> Nothing about this article seems untrustworthy. You got it reversed. What about it seems trustworthy ? Russel's teapot and all that, the one making claims has to prove it, not others have to disprove it. > Politico is a highly trustworthy paper Trust-proof should be per-concrete-article, not per publication. > Your comment seems out of place. [Citation needed] :-) -- Seriously, I don't see anything wrong. Okay, you…
That Israeli spies have been caught multiple times in the US, spying.
If you've have a history of murdering people, I'm at least going to give some attention to the people saying you've murdered again.
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Aren't we only viewed as Satan because of our support for Israel? If we stopped our support for Israel, then OUR interests would be elevated over Israel's, which would be good for us but bad for Israel. They really don't serve us that well for be our so-called "Greatest Ally." You can't just hide behind "that's antisemitism" in all cases of analysis of Israel's influence in geopolitics and specifically in U.S politic…
Thats a good point. If we weren't allied with Israel and didn't pick sides in the middle east, would we even need allies over there?
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Thats a good point. If we weren't allied with Israel and didn't pick sides in the middle east, would we even need allies over there?
Just extend this logic to the Cold War and WWII. Why would America ever choose sides, right? Just let the Nazis take over Europe and USSR take over the rest. No enemies to worry about!
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It's important to remember that "foreign aid" is actually domestic aid, i.e. is not money given from one country to another to purchase things, but things from particular vendors in a particular country given to another country, paid for by tax dollars. That massive aid to Israel (and Egypt, and wherever else) creates a block of insider companies in the US that need to lobby for Israeli belligerence (and promote the…
This is an interesting framework and it seems apparent to sadly hold truth. The other framework is that it is nothing more than simply of course as anyone can easily see Jewish and pro-Israeli politicians, technocrats, billionaires, industry-leaders and lobbying groups frankly exist in such extreme disproportion to any other ethnic group in elite America that it would be surprising if they didn't have a special, priv…
I do not think that this is true at all. A lot of interests converge in the US relationship with the Israeli state, but Judaism as a religion isn't the dominant partner. The US is full of antisemites, and the refusal of the US to take in refugees as WWII was brewing contributed to the intensity of the Holocaust, and the increase in Jewish support for the Zionist project.
You can easily become a pro-Israel politician if you are an antisemite who is taking money from a contractor (who is also antisemitic) who sells arms to Israel, and you're representing a state filled with evangelicals who believe that Israel will cause the second coming of Jesus Christ, who will either convert or condemn all of the Jews to eternal suffering.
Israel doesn't control anything, and the US doesn't intrinsically care about Israel (which is why it's constantly insecure in the relationship.) Wealthy people in the US use Israel for their own purposes, and Israel (largely Likudnik Israel) spends lots of time and effort to remain valuable to those people.
I think that a few old, terrible Jewish billionaires who think that their rabid support of Israel (through donating to US right-wingers) will get them into heaven despite their terrible personal and business ethics get an inordinate amount of attention, and end up characterizing all of Israeli lobbying for a lot of people.
> The miniature surveillance devices, colloquially known as “StingRays,” mimic regular cell towers to fool cell phones into giving them their locations and identity information. I realize that roaming is a thing, and I don’t know how cellular protocols work, but I am curious why at this point phones don’t connect to towers anonymously, authenticate towers by default, encrypt identity, etc..? Surely the phone could be…
I don't think there is a chance in hell this kind of innovation would come out of any of the current major US telecoms.
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>Israel is the boss, US is the muscle >If you try to end it, you'll be called antisemites, Holocaust deniers, etc. until you submit. >> this has absolutely been my observation as well Have you considered that you've been called antisemites because you are. Not because you have experience with "try[ing] to end it" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Political_antisem... US is not controlled by Israel and you're…
Israel has unreasonable influence in the US. Speaking against them in any way can be career suicide for American politicians. Dismissing criticism of Israel and the Israeli lobby as anti Semitic is just an attempt to control the conversation, nothing more.
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Before you accuse Israel of discrimination, you should consider that 20% of Israelis are Arabs (compare that to 12% of Americans being black) and that Arabs had legal equality in Israel decades before blacks did in America. The relationship between Israel and its Arab minority is much more nuanced than you think. I’d call it passive aggressive, going both ways.
> Before you accuse Israel of discrimination, you should consider that 20% of Israelis are Arabs (compare that to 12% of Americans being black) and that Arabs had legal equality in Israel decades before blacks did on America. Why should that be considered?
Because it’s been historically progressive in its relationship towards minorities.
Because it’s not like it’s persecuting a tiny group of the population for sport, it’s that there’s a lot of tugging between a minority and majority which are much further apart in culture, religion and traditions than the whites and blacks in America.
Because it’s reasonable to expect that issues appearing in the American societal fabric such as discrimination would show just as much in Israel with its huge proportional minority share.
It’s not that Israel is racist as much as it is that there are discrimination issues in societies everywhere and this is just another instance.
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Just extend this logic to the Cold War and WWII. Why would America ever choose sides, right? Just let the Nazis take over Europe and USSR take over the rest. No enemies to worry about!
Well they conspicuously didn't until Pearl Harbor.
It just reeks of appeasement.