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Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#81

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

>On a more philosophical note, are we really OK with the government reaching this far into our personal lives? It's not reaching into your personal life. It's reaching into businesses to stop them from selling damaging and highly addictive products. Banning tobacco would be optimal but not feasible since too many people are already addicted.

So are you in favor of banning fast food and alcohol as well?

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#82

When can people finally stop to interfere in other peoples lives? If Bloomberg doesn’t want to vape flavors: fine, but give me the liberty to do so... Seriously, if I look back at my youth, I wonder how we all survived -.-

>if I look back at my youth, I wonder how we all survived Many people didn't, which is why so many regulations exist now.

If you simply ban anything that’s even remotely risky, then yes, it will save some lives. Is it worth it? Do you want to live in a world where we are all walking around inside padded plastic bubbles?

Some time between my childhood and today, society collectively lost its mind and decided that the only acceptable way to manage risk is to relentlessly drive it towards zero through the force of law. We are going to end up with a boring, sterile and ultra-safe world.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

part of why people have such success switching to vapes is that most people actually find vaping to be a more enjoyable experience than smoking (after a transition period). your clothes don't stink, you can breathe noticeably better, etc. imo, the pleasant flavors are a major part of this. I've bummed a couple cigarettes since I switched to vaping and I can't even finish one anymore; they taste gross now.

How many people, like myself, avoided a nicotine addiction in the first place because cigarettes are disgusting?

not arguing with your main point. at the end of the day, people are certainly not addicted to cotton candy vape flavor. as you say, they are addicted to the nicotine. it would be great if everyone could just quit nicotine all at the same time, but that's not a realistic solution. so for the people who can't quit, what is the best harm reduction strategy that they will actually tolerate? it's certainly not patches, and I doubt it will be flavorless vapes.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#84

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

I just switched to unflavoured base + nicotine shot. It's tastes fine and costs about 80% less. I can buy 1 litre(!) of base for $15, a premix of flavour 60ml costs the same!

Yep, I've made my own juice before as well. For me, I buy the pre-made juices most of the time because of the general convenience.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#85

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

> On a more philosophical note... I think regulating the advertisement of these products is probably the most sane course of action here.

The moment when people view themselves as having the most reasonable point of view and they’re trying to defend tobacco companies is how you know we’ve reached Peak Reasonable.

Do software engineers really want to die on the hill of, “The kinds of reasonable I practice at work authoring React components is the same reasonable I would like to apply to politics and regulation, so bunch of warble garble about tobacco” ? Like no one’s going to buy that. We’re not talking about urban planning or tax reform or any number of arcane things where at least having a software engineering background is an adjacent point of view. Tobacco literally has nothing to do with programming or engineering, the fact that Juul is a literal electronic technology is a total red herring.

Sure writing something in LISP and having a bunch of money gives you an interesting point of view. But you’re going to quickly bankrupt that POV defending tobacco. That seems reasonable to me!

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives. Just say no?

And how did the DARE program work out?

Ah yes, "Big Brother" DARE.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/22/us/fingerprinting-of-chil...

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#87

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible Not true. Big Tobacco owns (partially or outright) most of the big players in the vaping industry. Vuse is owned by Reynolds, Vype is owned by BAT, and Altria has a massive stake in Juul. It's in Big Tobacco's interest to ensure vaping is easy and viewed as an alternative to cigarettes. It's also in their interest to keep the product i…

> with candy flavors that appeal to younger consumers.

Because no adults enjoy candy, or flavors? That's exclusive to "younger consumers" only? The vast majority of people who vape are adults. They also enjoy flavored e-juice. Maybe we should put stuff in alcohol that makes it so disgusting no one wants to drink it as well by that logic. Ban flavored alcohol and mixers... too many kids getting drunk off peach schnapps because it tastes good. Ban Coke in bars so people can't add it to their rum. It doesn't matter if the overwhelming number of people consuming it are (legal) adults...because there are some kids abusing it (which is already illegal).

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just switched to unflavoured base + nicotine shot. It's tastes fine and costs about 80% less. I can buy 1 litre(!) of base for $15, a premix of flavour 60ml costs the same!

Yep, I've made my own juice before as well. For me, I buy the pre-made juices most of the time because of the general convenience.

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Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#89
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Has anyone proposed making e-cigarette devices prescription only? Seems like if the manufacturers are really saying "we only want addicted smokers to use our device" that requiring a prescription from a doctor to oversee you through some addiction recovery program would make sense as far as regulating its use goes.

Manufacturers were marketing their devices as smoking-cessation devices until they realized there was a huge recreational market potentional.

These devices should have required doctor consultation but instead we have manufacturers selling bubblegum and candy flavored vape cartridges to totally legal adults of age (wink-wink nudge-nudge).

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives. Just say no?

And how did the DARE program work out?

> And how did the DARE program work out?

As I recall, the research found it was highly effective at improving subjects (vs. non-subjects) images of law enforcement, but had no discernable effect on subjects (compared to non-subjects) when looking at drug use, drug abuse, or drug-related crime.

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