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Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by leetcrew »

skyyler wrote: post #14
Causality1 wrote: post #4

Oh great, so instead of buying flavors from stores people will buy them on the street and make them at home using dubious online tutorials.

People have been making their own vape liquids at home for at least the last five years, probably closer to the last decade. It isn't difficult, a guide to making vape liquid is basically a lesson in measuring liquid volume and a handful of links to flavoring merchants. I don't see how that could be dubious...

making your own vape liquid necessitates handling nicotine in dangerously high concentrations (ie, a lethal dose just from spilling it on your arm). I think it's fine for informed enthusiasts to do this at their own risk, but it would be extremely irresponsible to push the median vaper towards blending their own.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by ameister14 »

Causality1 wrote: post #4

Oh great, so instead of buying flavors from stores people will buy them on the street and make them at home using dubious online tutorials.

Yes, because that's what happens in high schools all over the country - the scourge of bathtub gin is real

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by magna7 »

"But what about the children?" never ends well. I'm a damn adult and I vape because the alternative is worse. I'm certainly not going to vape unflavored e-liquids, so people like me will be forced to buy the flavors separately. Vaping has seriously been a life saver for me. I and my surroundings no longer stink, my lung function is back to normal, and my oral health has improved. When will society learn that prohibition is never the solution? The solution to this is, like all societal problems, is to improve access to education, wealth and social circles. People that are educated, don't worry about bills, and have large social circles generally don't abuse drugs.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by jakebasile »

shpongled wrote: post #11
mpfundstein wrote: post #6

When can people finally stop to interfere in other peoples lives? If Bloomberg doesn’t want to vape flavors: fine, but give me the liberty to do so... Seriously, if I look back at my youth, I wonder how we all survived -.-

Bloomberg just loves to use his money to try to enforce his beliefs on other people.

It's a pattern with him and others like him. Bloomberg has been spending obscene amounts of money trying to restrict civil rights such as the right to keep and bear arms for a long, long time.

Somehow I bet he still has armed guards, though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/nra-gun-contr...

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by tlarkworthy »

scriptkiddy wrote: post #10

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

I just switched to unflavoured base + nicotine shot. It's tastes fine and costs about 80% less. I can buy 1 litre(!) of base for $15, a premix of flavour 60ml costs the same!

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by simplecomplex »

Bloomberg can ban ecig juice if we can ban him from eating fried chicken and Cheez—its:

“The New York Times reports that even as the mayor implements one city-wide dietary restriction after another, he continues to indulge. He loves burnt bacon and peanut butter sandwiches, hot dogs, fried chicken, and Cheez-its. He puts so much salt on his bagels “that it’s like a pretzel,” and so much salt on popcorn “that it burns others’ lips.”

Why am I not surprised?

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by ilikehurdles »

kortilla wrote: post #37
landcoctos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my point. Banning flavoring probably won't lead to as many using cigarettes.

But it will lead to more using cigarettes. If it’s any more than the 20:1 safety difference then it’s still a net loss.

I'm confident there are significant numbers of people (read: kids) who would have never taken up cigarettes but took up vaping as the cool new way to get cancer.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by yifanl »

magashna wrote: post #54
yifanl wrote: post #9

I can sort of get it, we could've been the first generation of majority non-smokers, but instead companies got kids to start vaping clouds of bubblegum, and of course kids didnt have a chance of avoiding that crap and now we have an entire subculture of vaping. There'll be a lot of pushback, but I really do think this is the right direction.

Where is the parent's responsibility in this? As a childless adult, why do I lose out because they want a nanny state? I love my candy flavored vape juice and I, as an adult, accept whatever issues come with it. The same with alcohol, smoking cigarettes, etc.

So, from my perspective, everyone except a few high level corporate people would be better off if we never got people addicted to smoking tobacco.

Obviously we can't change the past, but we came very very close to doing the next best thing: make it culturally unacceptable to smoke.

We lose out on all that all over again, except replace tobacco with candy vape juice. I guess again the genie's out of the bottle and it's too late for another few generations, but it's such a shame to me.

Addressing the point of parent's responsibility: there's no chance parenting beat an subculture of cool, let's not pretend that's possible.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Post by cglace »

magashna wrote: post #47
crispyporkbites wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not your decisions have an impact on other people’s lives and vice versa. Public health is important, we know the general public will not look out for their best interests on aggregate (see smoking or the opioid epidemic). As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives.

Let's see how well banning red meat and cars would go over. Vapes are an easy target right now. Heart disease and auto accidents are some of the greatest threats to the average American, but you'll never hear a politician going after those.

Cars are an integral part of our culture and economy and are regulated in every conceivable way.

E-cigs are a relatively new vice. Hardly comparable.

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