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Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

>Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape bans haven't banned cigarettes yet, right? Make it extremely difficult to vape and people will resort to smoking. Maybe, but vaping has (had?) the reputation of being "safer" than cigarettes. I doubt there would be a 1:1 of potential vappers to smokers.

Anecdotally, I know people who started vaping without ever having touched cigarettes before.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#32

When can people finally stop to interfere in other peoples lives? If Bloomberg doesn’t want to vape flavors: fine, but give me the liberty to do so... Seriously, if I look back at my youth, I wonder how we all survived -.-

People who smoke cigarettes and otherwise have an unhealthy lifestyle overburden the health system and take away government spending that can be spent elsewhere. Why should I pay more because you drinks coke, diabetic and smoke yourself towards lung cancer?

Because you would need to change the rate for those who don't exercise, drive or ride in cars, drink coffee, play impact sports, eat junk food, have unprotected sex, is in the army, plays video games,, lives on the coast, works in a mine, etc

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#33

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

From my understanding, many of the flavored juices contain Vitamin E, which we're just now finding out is potentially deadly when inhaled (hence the recent deaths). It's a largely unregulated industry already when it comes to safety of peripheral ingredients. Wouldn't it be very costly to start scrutinizing each manufacturer's ingredients? Do you know what you're really getting if you decide to buy some vaping produc…

(Related: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/e-cigarette-vaping-lung-damag...)

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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>Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape bans haven't banned cigarettes yet, right? Make it extremely difficult to vape and people will resort to smoking. Maybe, but vaping has (had?) the reputation of being "safer" than cigarettes. I doubt there would be a 1:1 of potential vappers to smokers.

Anecdotally, I know people who started vaping without ever having touched cigarettes before.

That's my point. Banning flavoring probably won't lead to as many using cigarettes.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#35

There was a really solid thread on Vaping generally that also had some relevant insights the other day here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20915520 There is a strong argument for vaping as a harm reduction tool, I wonder if that holds up (or is made stronger) if there are no flavors

Surely it's the nicotine that people are addicted to, not the flavor. That's just my assumption though, I've never gotten myself addicted to any of that shit; one taste of a cigarette was all I needed to know.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Like it or not your decisions have an impact on other people’s lives and vice versa. Public health is important, we know the general public will not look out for their best interests on aggregate (see smoking or the opioid epidemic). As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives.

> As individuals we’re not equipped to defend against profit seeking products that are bad for our health, hence we need action from our elected representatives. Just say no?

And how did the DARE program work out?

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, I know people who started vaping without ever having touched cigarettes before.

That's my point. Banning flavoring probably won't lead to as many using cigarettes.

But it will lead to more using cigarettes. If it’s any more than the 20:1 safety difference then it’s still a net loss.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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I can sort of get it, we could've been the first generation of majority non-smokers, but instead companies got kids to start vaping clouds of bubblegum, and of course kids didnt have a chance of avoiding that crap and now we have an entire subculture of vaping. There'll be a lot of pushback, but I really do think this is the right direction.

You know, kids seem to like alcoholic drinks with sweet flavors as well. Should we get rid of those? How about food that tastes great but is bad for you? Obesity is a massive problem in this country.

RIP Four Loko

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

#39

I understand that we don't want our kids vaping or smoking, but banning flavored juices is the wrong way to go about it. All it's going to accomplish is deregulation of the flavored juice market. People will buy unflavored juices and add their own (possibly dangerous)flavoring agents at home. Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible. Think about it, all these cities with vape…

Also, it is in Big Tobacco's best interest to make vaping as difficult as possible

Not true. Big Tobacco owns (partially or outright) most of the big players in the vaping industry. Vuse is owned by Reynolds, Vype is owned by BAT, and Altria has a massive stake in Juul.

It's in Big Tobacco's interest to ensure vaping is easy and viewed as an alternative to cigarettes. It's also in their interest to keep the product in snazzy packaging with candy flavors that appeal to younger consumers.

Re: Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

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Adults hate candy, ice cream, fruit, etc. Those are for children. I only vape liver and spinach flavored juice because I'm an adult and I hate sweet things. So when is Bloomberg going to divest from fossil fuels? Need to consider the harm that does to our future's children.

Don’t forget onions. As an adult I also don’t like things that are enjoyable.
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