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In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Yikes why would you not want companies investing in diversity? Especially if they are the interface to our online world?

"Diversity" in tech means "we should have programmers with skin colour X or genital configuration Y". But I don't care about people's skin colour or genitals. It turns out people are diverse anyway and that's why not everyone end up in tech.

> It turns out people are diverse anyway and that's why not everyone end up in tech

That's true but also ignores the problem that many people drop out of tech due to discrimination or feeling like they don't belong even though they are interested.

"While a majority of the men in the study reported that their internship experiences were positive, women’s experiences were much more of a mixed bag, full of ageism, sexism, and not being taken seriously"

https://www.womenintech.com/mit-study-figures-out-why-so-man...

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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I understand that but I do think it should be something Mozilla should offer, even if it’s a premium service only. The web should not be held hostage by AdTech imho, and as a non for profit Mozilla should be able to generate revenue (and before the Mozilla Corp people jump in, for operations and r&d) from essential services centered around online privacy (cloud storage, vpn, dns etc) with like minded 3rd parties.

Why would anyone pay for Mozilla to do adblocking when they could install an ad blocker for free.

Part of a premium package. I would pay for something like NextDNS as part of a NextCloud based storage and apps, for example.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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"Whenever you find yourself with too many tabs, click the OneTab icon to convert all of your tabs into a list. When you need to access the tabs again, you can either restore them individually or all at once." Not sure what you were expecting. And on the OneTab page that gets generated, there's a link that says "Restore All" right at the top.

That's not applicable to Firefox for Android.

Ah, noted, sorry.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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> Ads are not of interest to users. If you think that's true, then your idea of what constitutes an ad is very narrow, to the point it leaves out a large swath of reality. An ad is an informational transaction between an entity offering a good or service and a consumer that may want that service. When done poorly, it's an exchange neither are happy with. When done well, it's an exchange that both are happy with. We'r…

You are wrong, ads only waste people's time. It's just the main way that online companies have found to turn attention and time into money, and it's never great for the consumer. Usually the free market (adblocked internet searches) gives better results for what consumers are looking for rather than the targeted paid for inferior quality products of ad companies. A better service would be one where consumers pay with…

> You are wrong, ads only waste people's time.

This, along with your focusing entirely on online ads, leads me to believe you failed to understand my comment, or at least what the purpose of it was.

> A better service would be one where consumers pay with money to ask a service for the best recommendation of a product by an independent company.

That's a different way. It may or may not be better, depending on the service and and category, and how much money you have. One possible downside is that you need to know what you're looking for. A simple example of this is movie trailers. I used to see a lot of them, and I enjoyed knowing what movies were coming out later. A few years back I dropped cable, and only use a few online streaming services now. I remember once every 6-12 months to look at movie trailers on Hulu, otherwise I really only hear about stuff from word of mouth or from some interest site that is excited about it. Entire movies come and go that I never hear of now. Is that better? I don't particularly think so. I liked the exposure of movie trailers. Could some trailers be played too much and be annoying? Yes. Do I think the entire lack of them is a better? For me, no.

> Furthermore there are multiple other ways to make revenue online that don't involve ads

I'm not defending the current online ad industry. I'm trying to lay down a framework that leads to a solution that works better, by trying to re-frame the conversation on the actual problem elements instead of what happens so often, which is attacking symptoms and letting the actual problem surface somewhere else, just as bad if not worse. Attacking ads will not stock tracking, it will stop ads that track you. If you care about tracking and privacy, fight against tracking and for privacy, and the problematic ads will be forced to change as well, but at least they won't just shift to real world ads that track you, or other uses of tracking people for monetization that are even worse than advertising.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Donate restricted fund and restricted funds only.

Problem with restricted fund is that the organization is forced to put it in a place where it may not be needed and they cannot use it elsewhere, even in the case of emergency. So lets say you donated specifically for development of module X. What if a server died and it was in desperate need of repair? What if they need to hire Y person that had good talent for module X? People could construe the funding for intervi…

Those are made up reasons. If you have a solid definition of what is needed and what not, this is no problem at all.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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I think noticing a spectrum is a good first step, but a good second step is noticing the distribution of that spectrum . There is very, very few ads on-line that are "done well". There's also very few ads "done poorly", because nobody in their right mind would want to keep running an ad they're not happy with. The Internet is utterly dominated by ads that are bad for the viewer, and beneficial to the advertiser. They…

My point is really that once we start targeting "ads", and we note that online ads seem to be bad, as you say, then we end up with regulation or legislation about what you can advertise online and how you can do it. But that won't help us when the same techniques then shift towards the real world (and they already are), and then we've got ineffective rules for the new crisis, which is companies tracking you between a…

It's a risk we probably need to take. AdTech is monetizing hate and this is already effecting the real world in a very obvious way. We're talking about ads, not content. Removing the monetization incentive is one thing, the wastefulness another, but I'm not talking about legislation, rather giving users tools to deal with them. Google developed Chrome for obvious reasons. Microsoft has no interest in protecting users, and AdBuddy (Brave) is pure evil. Mozilla's raison d'etre is doing just that.

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Mozilla explicitly states that they have social development projects. Mozilla is not misleading anyone. The commentor you're replying to explicitly posted[0] this a few comments up as well: > "The direct work of the Mozilla Foundation focuses on fueling the movement for a healthy internet. We do this by supporting a diverse group of fellows working on key internet issues, connecting open Internet leaders at events li…

Thanks, that was the comment I recalled. You seemed to imply that Mozilla was being up front about where the money was being spent. Do you have any documentation on the budget inside Mozilla? Because I think this would solve the issue of transparency for many people here. If only a tiny fraction of the money went to social programs, maybe more people wouldn't care. But if it's a significant portion, then maybe they a…

Mozilla's financials are public.

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Does it block all newish variants of the google analytics snippet?

It does not block Google Analytics per se. It only blocks the cookie being attached to the used tracking pixel. Source: verified on own site in v69. Page views show up fine in GA but the browser displays the new warning shield.

Thank you! I guess that means Google’s client ID is lost, so attribution will be muddled. I wonder if each page view is treated as its own single-page session?

Re: In a swipe at Chrome, Firefox now blocks ad trackers by default

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Happy to be an example against discrimination. :) People should be held accountable for such views. It should be clear to anyone that having "an opinion" which discriminates a whole group of people is not that same as sharing an opinion about Star Wars..

> People should be held accountable for such views Well, in my country (and I think in the entire EU) what you want is very illegal and is taken very seriously. I think you choose a very fitting username. ;)

Hate speech is illegal in the EU. They haven't taken such opinions lightly when announced publicly.

Edit: btw with held accountable I don't mean that is should be illegal. I meant that people have a right to react to "injustice"

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